Respected Mr Rajaram,
Will there be an end of using singular addressing and abusing in your life
time? I am sure you will not reach Paramapadam, but pathalam, if you continue
abusing like this. You are compelling others also to make singular usage.
Gopalakrishnan
On Saturday, 27 January, 2024 at 09:22:32 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Oh Narayanasamy and co are non vegetarians and drunkards as admitted in
foreign they go to cat houses? That is what I also wrote. Kutramulla nenju
padapadaikirathu? The guilty consciousness inflicts? Truth is bitter Narayana
enda dont you know this Sumban
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 23:54, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
With nothing to say, rogue and charlatan refugee from iyer123 Rajaram K alias
KR ex-IRS alias Cockroachmoorthy nevertheless rants and raves about nothing.
His last words are worth noting:-
"Brahmins by becoming the other varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating non veg
and drinks changed the whole concept of topsy-turvy."
If this is a confession of "mea culpa", in KR ex-IRS' usual drain-gutter-sewer
ungrammatical broken English, why boast about it?
Don't some non-practising "so-called braahmaanas" today keep and visit
cathouses, and, when abroad, give in to the temptation to sleep with foreign
women?
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 9:50 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
Snake biting its own tail is a word of subterfuge. History is only that. My
grandfather defeated your grandfather and so you enter into my nation to covet
it back. That is natural. As long as dharma was the ruler of the 56 nations in
India, there were fear to offend anyone; but Islamic invasion and the British
rule made the DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY; there the brahmins were patronised
because of their intelligence; and the Brahmins thought they are fro Head and
so they can do anything against the feet; The Kshatriyas did the same thing;
and in effect, agraharam and outlaws enter the field of residence. Trivandrum
Rajas brought laws to have the virudhunagar Nadar women then , not to wear any
blouse. So much atrocity was brought over by the brahmins and the kshatriyas.
This was made use of to capture the power by Politicians and the landlords of
the north, to provoke the people against Brahmins and oppress the 4th varnas in
the north. South became dravida and communist rulers; North still continued to
hold power of the rich. In the South , a new history started; non brahmins now
showing their hatred towards the 4th varna but Brahmins started migrating. What
we sow , so we reap. And Brahmins by becoming the other varna guna vibaga
adopters, and eating non veg and drinks changed the whole concept of
topsy-turvy. KR IRS 26 1 24
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 19:06, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
"Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of oppressed ones
need some crutches before they can start walking on their own. It has gone on
for far too long and too far but who will bell the cat? N Sekar"
Sri N Sekar's arguments often have the quality and reality of a snake biting
its own tail.
In the above clarion call to battle he only reminds one of the equally spurious
argument:-
"Your great-grandfather kicked my great-grandfather centuries ago; so I am
kicking you now."
Bell what cat? Just trap it with mouse-meat, and drown it in the nearest
stream.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers
<[email protected]> wrote:
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----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Narayanaswamy Sekar"
<[email protected]> To: "Srinivasan Sridharan" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Patty Thatha" <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at
1:58 PM Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg
Thanks Srinivasan Sir.
1. We can't deny, however much we try, that certain sections were suppressed
and oppressed, not by brahmins alone but more so by the other so called upper
castes.
2. Until as recently as a decade back there were some villages in T N where
their womenfolk cannot wear blouses but cover their upper body only with their
sarees.Their men cannot wear chappels nor can they put their towels over their
shoulders - that needs to be tied to their hips.
These rules were applied when they had to cross over the so called upper caste
areas.
There are still some temples in T N where they are not allowed to enter.What we
forget is that these practices also contribute to conversions though other
religions also practice the same evil of caste discrimination, but more subtly.
Why do you think the blacks are given preference under Affirmative Action in
the U S?
3. It is true Rama did not give any part of his kingdom to others butneither
was there these kinds of atrocities and blatant violation of human rights -
all in the name of castes.
Even today in T N villages there is subtle, unannounced discrimination being
practiced but not by brahmins ( they have migrated to the cities) but by the
dominant so called upper caste folks in that area.
Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of oppressed ones
need some crutches before they can start walking on their own. It has gone on
for far too long and too far but who will bell the cat?
N Sekar
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 10:40 PM Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]>
wrote:
Dear Sri Sekar, I have some opinion on the issue of reservation
which I thought I would tell. Sama Dharma is a part of Sanathana Dharma.
It means every Jeevathma should be respected equally, since Paramathma
resides in all Jeevathmas. It means respect not only human beings but also
other living beings.
However reservation is for preferring some scheduled castes and tribe
people be given Govt jobs in preference to people of other castes,
overlooking the possibility of incompetence. in some of those who have been
given such Govt jobs. It has nothing to do with Social equality or mutual
respect of all human beings! It of course gives those people a chance to have
better material life than what their ancestors had ! That is all!
Sri Rama wholeheartedly accepted a person (Guha) from the hunter tribe and
a monkey (Sugreeva)
and a Rakshasa (Vbheeshana ) as his own brother ! This is Samadharma! Sri
Rama did not give any part of the Kosala Kingdom to Guhaor Sugreeva or
Vibhishana even though he offered the same to Bharatha, Lakshmana and
Shathrugna who are also his brothers. Dharma is subtle, especially
Sama Dharma ! Sridharan.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:24 AM Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> wrote:
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From: 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg
To: <[email protected]>, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123
<[email protected]>
Thanks Sri G K.
Equality does not mean everyone should be of the same standard - physically,
materially, financially etc.
It does not also mean that everyone should be reduced to the lowest common
denominator.
It just means we treat all as human beings and extend the courticies to them as
we would expect them to do to us. Basic courtesy and Decency in treating all is
all that it means.
Yes we have hierarchies in the office but that does not give us the right to
treat our subordinates as your slaves. Everyone craves for dignity and respect
and we should recognize that fact.
" Do unto others as what you would have them do unto you" Is the maxim any
cultured and civilized person is expected to follow.
Even in the Mahabharata we have the story of how Durupathan insulted Drona (
asking Drona how a poor brahmin can claim to be friends with a king like
Durupatha) and the consequences.
Arrogance leads to downfall sooner or later.
It is worth remembering Satya Sai Bagahwan's words " End of Education is
Humility".
Re: why we have reservations, the short answer is " Affirmative Action" is a
pre requisite to uplift the unfortunate, poorer sections of society. But
unfortunately it has degenerated into caste issues in our country and no party
dare touch it lest the affected section changes its votes - Vote bank politics
in different forms and shapes and colors. We can't deny though that some
sections of the society were oppressed and suppressed and the inevitable
backlash is more than one expected. That's why 10% reservation for the poor so
called upper class is a welcome step. Poverty knows no caste or religion.
N Sekar
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via
KeralaIyers<[email protected]> wrote: Dear Mr Sekar,
I forgot to add one thing. I have read else where Gayathree manthra was there
already, Sage Viswamithra put it in a new chandas.
All sages had rivalries between them, sage Brahaspathi, and sage Sukra are
examples . Sage Viswamithra had pride . It made him Rajarshi, and he became
Devarshi after loosing his pride.
On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 10:32:29 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' via
iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Mr Sekar,
I have gone through your response.
In that case why the Government of India still follows caste and religion?
Even after 76 years why the Government of India still keeps reservation for BC,
SC and ST for concessions and reservations?
Even with in the religion why difference between castes?
If all are humans and equal, (It should be) all the above and many more are to
be changed.
As homo sapiens, by nature it is very difficult to change animal qualities with
in all of us. These animal qualities are responsible for all the problems in
the world/countries/ states/ among people.
One person feels he is superior. Another's views are ignored. There is no
tolerance. Then only equality.
I recollect an incidence from Ramayana. I cannot quote sarga /kanda. Once
Seetha devi asked Sri Rama why people are not made equal. I desire so. Sri Rama
with a smile made every body equal. Different sects of people forgot their
duties. They simply enjoyed life.
A leakage occurred in the palace. A search was made. No masons to attend. Sita
understood the folly. Sri Rama changed the maya created. Masons appeared.
Immediately the leakage was attended to.
So I feel we can have some sort of equality in standard of living, not fully. I
have read articles about present day Russia, still there are catagories of
people doing different works, the person doing menial jobs may have better
standard of living than one do red collar jobs or ordinary jobs.
Gopalakrishnan
On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 09:28:27 am IST, 'N Sekar' via
KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you both Sri G K and Sri Sridharan and a couple of others who did not cc
the group for reasons all well known. At least they responded.
Without elaborating ( as it will be found sensitive and will touch raw nerves)
let me just say - based on my knowledge gained from reading, listening to and
my own reflection of what I read and listened to.
I understand there will be different opinions BUT I strongly feel all of us are
humans and hence deserve to be treated as such - there is no question of
superiority or inferiority.
Each of us have a job to do and let us do it. There is something called "
Dignity of Labour".
Also, different sects follow different customs and we can't judge others by
what we do.
Let us do what we do and let them do what they do. Who are we to dictate to
others and impose our practices on others esp because none of us ( in a general
sense) contributed anything in the struggle of 500 years - we may have sent
donations to the Trust as I have, BUT that is not equal to the struggles they
had put up - just watch the dead bodies of the kar sevaks bring pulled up /
dragged from the Sarayu river and you will realize the price they had paid.
Whether what they did was right or wrong is for another day- they felt
suppressed by the invaders and then by our own sicular crowd who will not
hesitate to sell the Nation for a few votes - and that crowd includes the so
called brahmins.
So they are fully entitled to decide where, when and how the ceremonies will be
conducted and by who. It is their customs and we are outsiders as far as their
practices go. If we don't like what they do let us not witness or visit them -
nobody compelled any one else.
Will we tolerate if they come and tell us how to do Kumbabhidhekam on our
temples? If the answer is No then let us not comment on their practices.
So let us not interfere with what is essentially their function - they toiled
for it, paid for it with their lives even, and let them garner all the glory
that is legitimately theirs.
Just leave them alone.
We are just not entitled to pass critical remarks without contributing anything.
Let us remember that the paths we take may differ but ultimately the
Destination is the same. Methods differ but Purpose is One.
I again repeat- I prostrate a thousand times to all those responsible for this
magnificent Temple, reflecting our glorious heritage, and that includes all the
Kar Sevaks who gave their lives. Day before yesterday when I was watching it I
prayed for their souls and lovingly and respectfully remembered them.
Just a couple of remarks on your two mails.
1. Varnas and not Jathis, are based on one's occupation and is not by
birth.If it is by birth then the Greatest Mantra - Mother of All Mantras,
Gayathri Mantra, was actually given by a Kshahtriya called Viswamitra who
through TAPAS, AND NOT BY BIRTH, became a Brahma Rishi and is now addressed
respectfully as Sage Vuswamitra.
2. If, for argument's sake, just for argument's sake, we consider the 4th
varna as coming from His Feet ( while some claim superiority because they think
they came from HIS FACE), then let me point out
In the Vishnu Temples the "Sadari" that we so respectfully and with devotion
accept to be placed on our heads represents HIS FEET.
So if we claim the 4th Varna came from His Feet, it is those Feet that we
willingly place on our heads.
It was Rama's Padhukas that ruled Ayodhya for 14 years and not a replica of His
Face.
Need I say more?
I will stop here sir as I know arguments are futile. I believe strongly in
Karma and hence I would not demean anyone. Who knows what we were in our
previous births and what we will be in our next?
I feel it is in all our interest toGive respect and Get Respected. "You get
what you give" and so let us take care in what we give.
Regards
N Sekar
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:56 AM, gopala krishnan<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Mr Sekar,
Since you provided copy to groups on your response to the mail on the above
topic from Mr Narayanaswamy, I felt I may express a few thoughts came to me on
reading it.
I was getting mails from Kanchimatam as Deivathin kural during 1998's. I
recollect Periyavar stating birth is by caste and not by actions. By actions a
Kshathriya or Vaisya can become equal to a brahmin and in next birth, he will
be born in a brahmin family.
A soodra may become equal to a Vaisya or Kshathriya or Brahmin by his noble
actions, and born in such a family in his next birth.
He stated Brahmins going away from their duties, not that because of such going
away, Brahmins have become other castes because of the above.
If I am wrong, you may express your opinion.
Gopalakrishnan
I understand during Thretha yuga only Hinduism was there with castes.
Irrespective of caste, Lord Vishnu had his incarnation in different castes and
actually incarnation was felt not during their life period.
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