Oh Narayanasamy and co are non vegetarians and drunkards as admitted in foreign they go to cat houses? That is what I also wrote. Kutramulla nenju padapadaikirathu? The guilty consciousness inflicts? Truth is bitter Narayana enda dont you know this Sumban
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 23:54, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear folks > > With nothing to say, rogue and charlatan refugee from iyer123 Rajaram K > alias KR ex-IRS alias Cockroachmoorthy nevertheless rants and raves about > nothing. His last words are worth noting:- > > "*Brahmins by becoming the other varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating > non veg and drinks changed the whole concept of topsy-turvy*." > > If this is a confession of "mea culpa", in KR ex-IRS' usual > drain-gutter-sewer ungrammatical broken English, why boast about it? > > Don't some non-practising "so-called braahmaanas" today keep and visit > cathouses, and, when abroad, give in to the temptation to sleep with > foreign women? > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 9:50 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Snake biting its own tail is a word of subterfuge. History is only that. >> My grandfather defeated your grandfather and so you enter into my nation >> to covet it back. That is natural. As long as dharma was the ruler of the >> 56 nations in India, there were fear to offend anyone; but Islamic invasion >> and the British rule made the DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY; there the brahmins >> were patronised because of their intelligence; and the Brahmins >> thought they are fro Head and so they can do anything against the feet; The >> Kshatriyas did the same thing; and in effect, agraharam and outlaws enter >> the field of residence. Trivandrum Rajas brought laws to have the >> virudhunagar Nadar women then , not to wear any blouse. So much atrocity >> was brought over by the brahmins and the kshatriyas. This was made use of >> to capture the power by Politicians and the landlords of the north, to >> provoke the people against Brahmins and oppress the 4th varnas in the >> north. South became dravida and communist rulers; North still continued to >> hold power of the rich. In the South , a new history started; non brahmins >> now showing their hatred towards the 4th varna but Brahmins started >> migrating. What we sow , so we reap. And Brahmins by becoming the other >> varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating non veg and drinks changed the whole >> concept of topsy-turvy. KR IRS 26 1 24 >> >> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 19:06, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear folks >>> >>> "*Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of >>> oppressed ones need some crutches before they can start walking on their >>> own. It has gone on for far too long and too far but who will bell the >>> cat? N Sekar"* >>> >>> >>> Sri N Sekar's arguments often have the quality and reality of a snake >>> biting its own tail. >>> >>> In the above clarion call to battle he only reminds one of the equally >>> spurious argument:- >>> >>> "*Your great-grandfather kicked my great-grandfather centuries ago; so >>> I am kicking you now.*" >>> >>> Bell what cat? Just trap it with mouse-meat, and drown it in the >>> nearest stream. >>> >>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >>>> >>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>>> *From:* "Narayanaswamy Sekar" <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* "Srinivasan Sridharan" <[email protected]> >>>> *Cc:* "Patty Thatha" <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:58 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg >>>> Thanks Srinivasan Sir. >>>> >>>> 1. We can't deny, however much we try, that certain sections were >>>> suppressed and oppressed, not by brahmins alone but more so by the other so >>>> called upper castes. >>>> >>>> 2. Until as recently as a decade back there were some villages in T N >>>> where their womenfolk cannot wear blouses but cover their upper body only >>>> with their sarees. >>>> Their men cannot wear chappels nor can they put their towels over their >>>> shoulders - that needs to be tied to their hips. >>>> >>>> These rules were applied when they had to cross over the so called >>>> upper caste areas. >>>> >>>> There are still some temples in T N where they are not allowed to enter. >>>> What we forget is that these practices also contribute to conversions >>>> though other religions also practice the same evil of caste >>>> discrimination, but more subtly. >>>> >>>> Why do you think the blacks are given preference under Affirmative >>>> Action in the U S? >>>> >>>> 3. It is true Rama did not give any part of his kingdom to others but >>>> neither was there these kinds of atrocities and blatant violation of >>>> human rights - all in the name of castes. >>>> >>>> Even today in T N villages there is subtle, unannounced discrimination >>>> being practiced but not by brahmins ( they have migrated to the cities) but >>>> by the dominant so called upper caste folks in that area. >>>> >>>> Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of oppressed >>>> ones need some crutches before they can start walking on their own. It has >>>> gone on for far too long and too far but who will bell the cat? >>>> >>>> >>>> N Sekar >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 10:40 PM Srinivasan Sridharan < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> *Dear Sri Sekar,* >>>> >>>> * I have some opinion on the issue of reservation* >>>> * which I thought I would tell.* >>>> * Sama Dharma is a part of Sanathana Dharma.* >>>> * It means every Jeevathma should be respected equally,* >>>> * since Paramathma resides in all Jeevathmas. It means respect* >>>> >>>> * not only human beings but also other living beings.* >>>> * However reservation is for preferring some scheduled castes * >>>> * and tribe people be given Govt jobs in preference to people* >>>> * of other castes, overlooking the possibility of incompetence.* >>>> * in some of those who have been given such Govt jobs.* >>>> * It has nothing to do with Social equality or mutual respect* >>>> * of all human beings! It of course gives those people a chance* >>>> >>>> * to have better material life than what their ancestors had ! That is >>>> all!* >>>> * Sri Rama wholeheartedly accepted* >>>> >>>> * a person (Guha) from the hunter tribe and a monkey (Sugreeva)* >>>> * and a Rakshasa (Vbheeshana ) as his own brother ! This is >>>> Samadharma!* >>>> * Sri Rama did not give any part of the Kosala Kingdom to Guha* >>>> *or Sugreeva or Vibhishana even though he offered the same to* >>>> * Bharatha, Lakshmana and Shathrugna who are also his brothers.* >>>> * Dharma is subtle, especially Sama Dharma !* >>>> >>>> * Sridharan.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:24 AM Narayanaswamy Sekar < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: *'N Sekar' via iyer123* <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg >>>> To: <[email protected]>, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Sri G K. >>>> >>>> Equality does not mean everyone should be of the same standard - >>>> physically, materially, financially etc. >>>> >>>> It does not also mean that everyone should be reduced to the lowest >>>> common denominator. >>>> >>>> It just means we treat all as human beings and extend the courticies to >>>> them as we would expect them to do to us. Basic courtesy and Decency in >>>> treating all is all that it means. >>>> >>>> Yes we have hierarchies in the office but that does not give us the >>>> right to treat our subordinates as your slaves. Everyone craves for dignity >>>> and respect and we should recognize that fact. >>>> >>>> " Do unto others as what you would have them do unto you" >>>> Is the maxim any cultured and civilized person is expected to follow. >>>> >>>> Even in the Mahabharata we have the story of how Durupathan insulted >>>> Drona ( asking Drona how a poor brahmin can claim to be friends with a >>>> king like Durupatha) and the consequences. >>>> >>>> Arrogance leads to downfall sooner or later. >>>> >>>> It is worth remembering Satya Sai Bagahwan's words " End of Education >>>> is Humility". >>>> >>>> Re: why we have reservations, the short answer is " Affirmative Action" >>>> is a pre requisite to uplift the unfortunate, poorer sections of society. >>>> But unfortunately it has degenerated into caste issues in our country and >>>> no party dare touch it lest the affected section changes its votes - >>>> Vote bank politics in different forms and shapes and colors. We can't >>>> deny though that some sections of the society were oppressed and suppressed >>>> and the inevitable backlash is more than one expected. That's why 10% >>>> reservation for the poor so called upper class is a welcome step. Poverty >>>> knows no caste or religion. >>>> >>>> >>>> N Sekar >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Dear Mr Sekar, >>>> >>>> I forgot to add one thing. I have read else where Gayathree manthra was >>>> there already, Sage Viswamithra put it in a new chandas. >>>> >>>> All sages had rivalries between them, sage Brahaspathi, and sage Sukra >>>> are examples . Sage Viswamithra had pride . It made him Rajarshi, and he >>>> became Devarshi after loosing his pride. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 10:32:29 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' >>>> via iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Mr Sekar, >>>> >>>> I have gone through your response. >>>> >>>> In that case why the Government of India still follows caste and >>>> religion? >>>> >>>> Even after 76 years why the Government of India still keeps reservation >>>> for BC, SC and ST for concessions and reservations? >>>> >>>> Even with in the religion why difference between castes? >>>> >>>> If all are humans and equal, (It should be) all the above and many more >>>> are to be changed. >>>> >>>> As homo sapiens, by nature it is very difficult to change animal >>>> qualities with in all of us. These animal qualities are responsible for all >>>> the problems in the world/countries/ states/ among people. >>>> >>>> One person feels he is superior. Another's views are ignored. There is >>>> no tolerance. Then only equality. >>>> >>>> I recollect an incidence from Ramayana. I cannot quote sarga /kanda. >>>> Once Seetha devi asked Sri Rama why people are not made equal. I desire so. >>>> Sri Rama with a smile made every body equal. Different sects of people >>>> forgot their duties. They simply enjoyed life. >>>> >>>> A leakage occurred in the palace. A search was made. No masons to >>>> attend. Sita understood the folly. Sri Rama changed the maya created. >>>> Masons appeared. Immediately the leakage was attended to. >>>> >>>> So I feel we can have *some sort of equality in standard of living,* >>>> not fully. I have read articles about present day Russia, still there are >>>> catagories of people doing different works, the person doing menial jobs >>>> may have better standard of living than one do red collar jobs or ordinary >>>> jobs. >>>> Gopalakrishnan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 09:28:27 am IST, 'N Sekar' via >>>> KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you both Sri G K and Sri Sridharan and a couple of others who did >>>> not cc the group for reasons all well known. At least they responded. >>>> >>>> Without elaborating ( as it will be found sensitive and will touch raw >>>> nerves) let me just say - based on my knowledge gained from reading, >>>> listening to and my own reflection of what I read and listened to. >>>> >>>> I understand there will be different opinions BUT I strongly feel all >>>> of us are humans and hence deserve to be treated as such - there is no >>>> question of superiority or inferiority. >>>> >>>> Each of us have a job to do and let us do it. There is something called >>>> " Dignity of Labour". >>>> >>>> Also, different sects follow different customs and we can't judge >>>> others by what we do. >>>> >>>> Let us do what we do and let them do what they do. Who are we to >>>> dictate to others and impose our practices on others esp because none of us >>>> ( in a general sense) contributed anything in the struggle of 500 years - >>>> we may have sent donations to the Trust as I have, BUT that is not equal to >>>> the struggles they had put up - just watch the dead bodies of the kar >>>> sevaks bring pulled up / dragged from the Sarayu river and you will >>>> realize the price they had paid. >>>> >>>> Whether what they did was right or wrong is for another day- they felt >>>> suppressed by the invaders and then by our own sicular crowd who will not >>>> hesitate to sell the Nation for a few votes - and that crowd includes the >>>> so called brahmins. >>>> >>>> So they are fully entitled to decide where, when and how the ceremonies >>>> will be conducted and by who. It is their customs and we are outsiders as >>>> far as their practices go. If we don't like what they do let us not witness >>>> or visit them - nobody compelled any one else. >>>> >>>> Will we tolerate if they come and tell us how to do Kumbabhidhekam on >>>> our temples? If the answer is No then let us not comment on their >>>> practices. >>>> >>>> So let us not interfere with what is essentially their function - they >>>> toiled for it, paid for it with their lives even, and let them garner all >>>> the glory that is legitimately theirs. >>>> >>>> Just leave them alone. >>>> >>>> We are just not entitled to pass critical remarks without contributing >>>> anything. >>>> >>>> Let us remember that the paths we take may differ but ultimately the >>>> Destination is the same. Methods differ but Purpose is One. >>>> >>>> I again repeat- I prostrate a thousand times to all those responsible >>>> for this magnificent Temple, reflecting our glorious heritage, and that >>>> includes all the Kar Sevaks who gave their lives. Day before yesterday when >>>> I was watching it I prayed for their souls and lovingly and respectfully >>>> remembered them. >>>> >>>> Just a couple of remarks on your two mails. >>>> >>>> 1. Varnas and not Jathis, are based on one's occupation and is not by >>>> birth. >>>> If it is by birth then the Greatest Mantra - Mother of All Mantras, >>>> Gayathri Mantra, was actually given by a Kshahtriya called Viswamitra who >>>> through TAPAS, >>>> AND NOT BY BIRTH, became a Brahma Rishi and is now addressed >>>> respectfully as Sage Vuswamitra. >>>> >>>> 2. If, for argument's sake, just for argument's sake, we consider the >>>> 4th varna as coming from His Feet ( while some claim superiority because >>>> they think they came from HIS FACE), then let me point out >>>> >>>> In the Vishnu Temples the "Sadari" that we so respectfully and with >>>> devotion accept to be placed on our heads represents HIS FEET. >>>> >>>> So if we claim the 4th Varna came from His Feet, it is those Feet that >>>> we willingly place on our heads. >>>> >>>> It was Rama's Padhukas that ruled Ayodhya for 14 years and not a >>>> replica of His Face. >>>> >>>> Need I say more? >>>> >>>> I will stop here sir as I know arguments are futile. I believe strongly >>>> in Karma and hence I would not demean anyone. Who knows what we were in our >>>> previous births and what we will be in our next? >>>> >>>> I feel it is in all our interest to >>>> Give respect and Get Respected. "You get what you give" and so let us >>>> take care in what we give. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> N Sekar >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:56 AM, gopala krishnan >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Dear Mr Sekar, >>>> >>>> Since you provided copy to groups on your response to the mail on the >>>> above topic from Mr Narayanaswamy, I felt I may express a few thoughts came >>>> to me on reading it. >>>> >>>> I was getting mails from Kanchimatam as *Deivathin kural *during >>>> 1998's. 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