*Dear Sri Sekar,* * I have some opinion on the issue of reservation* * which I thought I would tell.* * Sama Dharma is a part of Sanathana Dharma.* * It means every Jeevathma should be respected equally,* * since Paramathma resides in all Jeevathmas. It means respect*
* not only human beings but also other living beings.* * However reservation is for preferring some scheduled castes * * and tribe people be given Govt jobs in preference to people* * of other castes, overlooking the possibility of incompetence.* * in some of those who have been given such Govt jobs.* * It has nothing to do with Social equality or mutual respect* * of all human beings! It of course gives those people a chance* * to have better material life than what their ancestors had ! That is all!* * Sri Rama wholeheartedly accepted* * a person (Guha) from the hunter tribe and a monkey (Sugreeva)* * and a Rakshasa (Vbheeshana ) as his own brother ! This is Samadharma!* * Sri Rama did not give any part of the Kosala Kingdom to Guha* *or Sugreeva or Vibhishana even though he offered the same to* * Bharatha, Lakshmana and Shathrugna who are also his brothers.* * Dharma is subtle, especially Sama Dharma !* * Sridharan.* On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:24 AM Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg > To: <[email protected]>, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> > > > Thanks Sri G K. > > Equality does not mean everyone should be of the same standard - > physically, materially, financially etc. > > It does not also mean that everyone should be reduced to the lowest > common denominator. > > It just means we treat all as human beings and extend the courticies to > them as we would expect them to do to us. Basic courtesy and Decency in > treating all is all that it means. > > Yes we have hierarchies in the office but that does not give us the right > to treat our subordinates as your slaves. Everyone craves for dignity and > respect and we should recognize that fact. > > " Do unto others as what you would have them do unto you" > Is the maxim any cultured and civilized person is expected to follow. > > Even in the Mahabharata we have the story of how Durupathan insulted Drona > ( asking Drona how a poor brahmin can claim to be friends with a king like > Durupatha) and the consequences. > > Arrogance leads to downfall sooner or later. > > It is worth remembering Satya Sai Bagahwan's words " End of Education is > Humility". > > Re: why we have reservations, the short answer is " Affirmative Action" is > a pre requisite to uplift the unfortunate, poorer sections of society. But > unfortunately it has degenerated into caste issues in our country and no > party dare touch it lest the affected section changes its votes - > Vote bank politics in different forms and shapes and colors. We can't deny > though that some sections of the society were oppressed and suppressed and > the inevitable backlash is more than one expected. That's why 10% > reservation for the poor so called upper class is a welcome step. Poverty > knows no caste or religion. > > > N Sekar > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers > <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mr Sekar, > > I forgot to add one thing. I have read else where Gayathree manthra was > there already, Sage Viswamithra put it in a new chandas. > > All sages had rivalries between them, sage Brahaspathi, and sage Sukra are > examples . Sage Viswamithra had pride . It made him Rajarshi, and he became > Devarshi after loosing his pride. > > On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 10:32:29 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' via > iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Mr Sekar, > > I have gone through your response. > > In that case why the Government of India still follows caste and religion? > > Even after 76 years why the Government of India still keeps reservation > for BC, SC and ST for concessions and reservations? > > Even with in the religion why difference between castes? > > If all are humans and equal, (It should be) all the above and many more > are to be changed. > > As homo sapiens, by nature it is very difficult to change animal qualities > with in all of us. These animal qualities are responsible for all the > problems in the world/countries/ states/ among people. > > One person feels he is superior. Another's views are ignored. There is no > tolerance. Then only equality. > > I recollect an incidence from Ramayana. I cannot quote sarga /kanda. Once > Seetha devi asked Sri Rama why people are not made equal. I desire so. Sri > Rama with a smile made every body equal. Different sects of people forgot > their duties. They simply enjoyed life. > > A leakage occurred in the palace. A search was made. No masons to attend. > Sita understood the folly. Sri Rama changed the maya created. Masons > appeared. Immediately the leakage was attended to. > > So I feel we can have *some sort of equality in standard of living,* not > fully. I have read articles about present day Russia, still there are > catagories of people doing different works, the person doing menial jobs > may have better standard of living than one do red collar jobs or ordinary > jobs. > Gopalakrishnan > > > On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 09:28:27 am IST, 'N Sekar' via > KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you both Sri G K and Sri Sridharan and a couple of others who did > not cc the group for reasons all well known. At least they responded. > > Without elaborating ( as it will be found sensitive and will touch raw > nerves) let me just say - based on my knowledge gained from reading, > listening to and my own reflection of what I read and listened to. > > I understand there will be different opinions BUT I strongly feel all of > us are humans and hence deserve to be treated as such - there is no > question of superiority or inferiority. > > Each of us have a job to do and let us do it. There is something called " > Dignity of Labour". > > Also, different sects follow different customs and we can't judge others > by what we do. > > Let us do what we do and let them do what they do. Who are we to dictate > to others and impose our practices on others esp because none of us ( in a > general sense) contributed anything in the struggle of 500 years - we may > have sent donations to the Trust as I have, BUT that is not equal to the > struggles they had put up - just watch the dead bodies of the kar sevaks > bring pulled up / dragged from the Sarayu river and you will realize the > price they had paid. > > Whether what they did was right or wrong is for another day- they felt > suppressed by the invaders and then by our own sicular crowd who will not > hesitate to sell the Nation for a few votes - and that crowd includes the > so called brahmins. > > So they are fully entitled to decide where, when and how the ceremonies > will be conducted and by who. It is their customs and we are outsiders as > far as their practices go. If we don't like what they do let us not witness > or visit them - nobody compelled any one else. > > Will we tolerate if they come and tell us how to do Kumbabhidhekam on our > temples? If the answer is No then let us not comment on their practices. > > So let us not interfere with what is essentially their function - they > toiled for it, paid for it with their lives even, and let them garner all > the glory that is legitimately theirs. > > Just leave them alone. > > We are just not entitled to pass critical remarks without contributing > anything. > > Let us remember that the paths we take may differ but ultimately the > Destination is the same. Methods differ but Purpose is One. > > I again repeat- I prostrate a thousand times to all those responsible for > this magnificent Temple, reflecting our glorious heritage, and that > includes all the Kar Sevaks who gave their lives. Day before yesterday when > I was watching it I prayed for their souls and lovingly and respectfully > remembered them. > > Just a couple of remarks on your two mails. > > 1. Varnas and not Jathis, are based on one's occupation and is not by > birth. > If it is by birth then the Greatest Mantra - Mother of All Mantras, > Gayathri Mantra, was actually given by a Kshahtriya called Viswamitra who > through TAPAS, > AND NOT BY BIRTH, became a Brahma Rishi and is now addressed respectfully > as Sage Vuswamitra. > > 2. If, for argument's sake, just for argument's sake, we consider the 4th > varna as coming from His Feet ( while some claim superiority because they > think they came from HIS FACE), then let me point out > > In the Vishnu Temples the "Sadari" that we so respectfully and with > devotion accept to be placed on our heads represents HIS FEET. > > So if we claim the 4th Varna came from His Feet, it is those Feet that we > willingly place on our heads. > > It was Rama's Padhukas that ruled Ayodhya for 14 years and not a replica > of His Face. > > Need I say more? > > I will stop here sir as I know arguments are futile. I believe strongly in > Karma and hence I would not demean anyone. Who knows what we were in our > previous births and what we will be in our next? > > I feel it is in all our interest to > Give respect and Get Respected. "You get what you give" and so let us > take care in what we give. > > Regards > > N Sekar > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:56 AM, gopala krishnan > <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mr Sekar, > > Since you provided copy to groups on your response to the mail on the > above topic from Mr Narayanaswamy, I felt I may express a few thoughts came > to me on reading it. > > I was getting mails from Kanchimatam as *Deivathin kural *during 1998's. > I recollect Periyavar stating birth is by caste and not by actions. By > actions a Kshathriya or Vaisya can become *equal to a brahmin *and in > next birth, he will be born in a brahmin family. > > A soodra may become equal to a Vaisya or Kshathriya or Brahmin by his > noble actions, and *born in such a family in his next birth. * > > He stated Brahmins going away from their duties, not that because of such > going away, Brahmins have become other castes because of the above. > > If I am wrong, you may express your opinion. > Gopalakrishnan > > I understand during Thretha yuga only Hinduism was there with castes. > Irrespective of caste, Lord Vishnu had his incarnation in different castes > and actually incarnation was felt not during their life period. > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/933034405.82742.1706068693778%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/933034405.82742.1706068693778%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/552231458.85769.1706072538613%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/552231458.85769.1706072538613%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/69293431.88966.1706072953453%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/69293431.88966.1706072953453%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/220161401.131040.1706095273148%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/220161401.131040.1706095273148%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Thatha_Patty" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CABC81ZdvK1qwf-GU6RvZfWTRAFfXS3creoVpM36cR7JkGBrSSQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CABC81ZdvK1qwf-GU6RvZfWTRAFfXS3creoVpM36cR7JkGBrSSQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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