Hello drunkard ignorant who does not know anything, speaking about original
and copy as if a master? Unaware that all Narayanasany writes is also a
copycat as Narayanasamy cannot write Purusha suktam and the meaning
originally ; if so it will become NARAYANA SHIT like by only you  When open
the print comes cleaner OK Sarama? Sarma means dog  rattling the tail KR

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 at 10:13, Laxminarayan Sarma <
[email protected]> wrote:

> *Hey IaRSe, why do you howl like an*
>
> * unchaste *
>
> *tonsured*
>
> *agraharam *
>
> *teenage widow*
>
> *in heat*
>
> *flinging back stuff heaped upon you*
>
> *Be original, you copycat hijada *
>
>
>
> On Sat, 27 Jan, 2024, 9:22 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oh Narayanasamy and co are non vegetarians and drunkards as admitted in
>> foreign they go to cat houses? That is what I also wrote. Kutramulla nenju
>> padapadaikirathu? The guilty consciousness inflicts? Truth is bitter
>> Narayana enda dont you know this Sumban
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 23:54, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear folks
>>>
>>> With nothing to say, rogue and charlatan refugee from iyer123 Rajaram K
>>> alias KR ex-IRS alias Cockroachmoorthy nevertheless rants and raves about
>>> nothing.  His last words are worth noting:-
>>>
>>> "*Brahmins by becoming the other varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating
>>> non veg and drinks changed the whole concept of topsy-turvy*."
>>>
>>> If this is a confession of "mea culpa", in KR ex-IRS' usual
>>> drain-gutter-sewer ungrammatical broken English, why boast about it?
>>>
>>> Don't some non-practising "so-called braahmaanas" today keep and visit
>>> cathouses, and, when abroad, give in to the temptation to sleep with
>>> foreign women?
>>>
>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 9:50 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Snake biting its own tail is a word of subterfuge. History is only
>>>> that. My grandfather  defeated your grandfather and so you enter into my
>>>> nation to covet it back. That is natural. As long as dharma was the ruler
>>>> of the 56 nations in India, there were fear to offend anyone; but Islamic
>>>> invasion and the British rule made the DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY; there the
>>>> brahmins were patronised because of their intelligence; and the Brahmins
>>>> thought they are fro Head and so they can do anything against the feet; The
>>>> Kshatriyas did the same thing; and in effect, agraharam and outlaws enter
>>>> the field of residence. Trivandrum Rajas brought laws to have the
>>>> virudhunagar Nadar women then , not to wear any blouse. So much atrocity
>>>> was brought over by the brahmins and the kshatriyas. This was made use of
>>>> to capture the power by Politicians and the landlords of the north, to
>>>> provoke the people against Brahmins and oppress the 4th varnas in the
>>>> north. South became dravida and communist rulers; North still continued to
>>>> hold power of the rich. In the South , a new history started; non brahmins
>>>> now showing their hatred towards the 4th varna but Brahmins started
>>>> migrating. What we sow , so we reap. And Brahmins by becoming the other
>>>> varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating non veg and drinks changed the whole
>>>> concept of topsy-turvy. KR IRS 26 1 24
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 19:06, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear folks
>>>>>
>>>>> "*Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of
>>>>> oppressed ones need some crutches before they can start walking on their
>>>>> own. It has gone on for far too long and too far but who will bell the
>>>>> cat?   N Sekar"*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sri N Sekar's arguments often have the quality and reality of a snake
>>>>> biting its own tail.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the above clarion call to battle he only reminds one of the equally
>>>>> spurious argument:-
>>>>>
>>>>> "*Your great-grandfather kicked my great-grandfather centuries ago;
>>>>> so I am kicking you now.*"
>>>>>
>>>>> Bell what cat?  Just trap it with mouse-meat, and drown it in the
>>>>> nearest stream.
>>>>>
>>>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>>>>> *From:* "Narayanaswamy Sekar" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> *To:* "Srinivasan Sridharan" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> *Cc:* "Patty Thatha" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:58 PM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg
>>>>>> Thanks Srinivasan Sir.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. We can't deny, however much we try,  that certain sections were
>>>>>> suppressed and oppressed, not by brahmins alone but more so by the other 
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> called upper castes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Until as recently as a decade back there were some villages in T N
>>>>>> where their womenfolk cannot wear blouses but cover their upper body only
>>>>>> with their sarees.
>>>>>> Their men cannot wear chappels nor can they put their towels over
>>>>>> their shoulders - that needs to be tied to their hips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These rules were applied when they had to cross over the so called
>>>>>> upper caste areas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are still some temples in T N where they are not allowed to
>>>>>> enter.
>>>>>> What we forget is that these practices also contribute to conversions
>>>>>> though other religions also practice the same evil of caste
>>>>>> discrimination,  but more subtly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you think the blacks are given preference under Affirmative
>>>>>> Action in the U S?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. It is true Rama did not give any part of his kingdom to others but
>>>>>> neither was there these kinds of atrocities and blatant violation of
>>>>>> human rights  - all in the name of castes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even today in T N villages there is subtle, unannounced
>>>>>> discrimination being practiced but not by brahmins ( they have migrated 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the cities) but by the dominant so called upper caste folks  in that 
>>>>>> area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of
>>>>>> oppressed ones need some crutches before they can start walking on their
>>>>>> own. It has gone on for far too long and too far but who will bell the 
>>>>>> cat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N Sekar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 10:40 PM Srinivasan Sridharan <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Dear Sri Sekar,*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *   I have some opinion on the issue of reservation*
>>>>>> *  which I thought I would tell.*
>>>>>> *   Sama Dharma is a part of Sanathana Dharma.*
>>>>>> *   It means every Jeevathma should be respected equally,*
>>>>>> *   since Paramathma resides in all Jeevathmas. It means respect*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *   not only human beings but also other living beings.*
>>>>>> *  However reservation is for preferring some scheduled castes *
>>>>>> *  and tribe people be given Govt jobs in preference to people*
>>>>>> *  of other castes,  overlooking the possibility of incompetence.*
>>>>>> * in some of those who have been given such Govt jobs.*
>>>>>> *   It has nothing to do with Social equality or mutual respect*
>>>>>> *   of all human beings! It of course gives those people a chance*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * to have better material life than what their ancestors had ! That
>>>>>> is all!*
>>>>>> *     Sri Rama wholeheartedly accepted*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * a person (Guha) from the hunter tribe and a monkey (Sugreeva)*
>>>>>> *   and a Rakshasa (Vbheeshana ) as his own brother ! This is
>>>>>> Samadharma!*
>>>>>> *  Sri Rama did not give any part of the Kosala Kingdom to Guha*
>>>>>> *or Sugreeva  or Vibhishana even though he offered the same to*
>>>>>> *  Bharatha, Lakshmana and Shathrugna who are also his brothers.*
>>>>>> *          Dharma is subtle, especially Sama Dharma !*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *                                                 Sridharan.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:24 AM Narayanaswamy Sekar <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: *'N Sekar' via iyer123* <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg
>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 <
>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Sri G K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Equality does not mean everyone should be of the same standard -
>>>>>> physically, materially, financially etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does not also mean that  everyone should be reduced to the lowest
>>>>>> common denominator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just means we treat all as human beings and extend the courticies
>>>>>> to them as we would expect them to do to us. Basic courtesy and Decency 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> treating all is all that it  means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes we have hierarchies in the office but that does not give us the
>>>>>> right to treat our subordinates as your slaves. Everyone craves for 
>>>>>> dignity
>>>>>> and respect and we should recognize that fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " Do unto others as what you would have them do unto you"
>>>>>> Is the maxim any cultured and civilized person is expected to follow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even in the Mahabharata we have the story of how Durupathan insulted
>>>>>> Drona ( asking Drona how  a poor brahmin can claim to be friends with a
>>>>>> king like Durupatha) and the consequences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arrogance leads to downfall sooner or later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is worth remembering Satya Sai Bagahwan's words " End of Education
>>>>>> is Humility".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re: why we have reservations, the short answer is " Affirmative
>>>>>> Action" is a pre requisite to uplift the unfortunate, poorer sections of
>>>>>> society. But unfortunately it has degenerated into caste issues in our
>>>>>> country and no party dare touch it lest the affected section changes its
>>>>>> votes  -
>>>>>> Vote bank politics in different forms and shapes and colors. We can't
>>>>>> deny though that some sections of the society were oppressed and 
>>>>>> suppressed
>>>>>> and the inevitable backlash is more than one expected. That's why 10%
>>>>>> reservation for the poor so called upper class is a welcome step. Poverty
>>>>>> knows no caste or religion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N Sekar
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Mr Sekar,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I forgot to add one thing. I have read else where Gayathree manthra
>>>>>> was there already, Sage Viswamithra put it in a new chandas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All sages had rivalries between them, sage Brahaspathi, and sage
>>>>>> Sukra are examples . Sage Viswamithra had pride . It made him Rajarshi, 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> he became Devarshi after loosing his pride.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 10:32:29 am IST, 'gopala krishnan'
>>>>>> via iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mr Sekar,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have gone through your response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In that case why the Government of India still follows caste and
>>>>>> religion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even after 76 years why the Government of India still keeps
>>>>>> reservation for BC, SC and ST for concessions and reservations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even with in the religion why difference between castes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If all are humans and equal, (It should be) all the above and many
>>>>>> more are to be changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As homo sapiens, by nature it is very difficult to change animal
>>>>>> qualities with in all of us. These animal qualities are responsible for 
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> the problems in the world/countries/ states/ among people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One person  feels he is superior. Another's views are ignored. There
>>>>>> is no tolerance. Then only equality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recollect an incidence from Ramayana. I cannot quote sarga /kanda.
>>>>>> Once Seetha devi asked Sri Rama why people are not made equal. I desire 
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>> Sri Rama with a smile made every body equal. Different sects of people
>>>>>> forgot their duties. They simply enjoyed life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A leakage occurred in the palace. A search was made. No masons to
>>>>>> attend. Sita understood the folly. Sri Rama  changed the maya created.
>>>>>> Masons appeared. Immediately the leakage was attended to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I feel we can have *some sort of equality in standard of living,*
>>>>>> not fully. I have read articles  about present day Russia, still there 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> catagories of people doing different works, the person doing menial jobs
>>>>>> may have better standard of living than one do red collar jobs or 
>>>>>> ordinary
>>>>>> jobs.
>>>>>> Gopalakrishnan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 09:28:27 am IST, 'N Sekar' via
>>>>>> KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you both Sri G K and Sri Sridharan and a couple of others who
>>>>>> did not cc the group for reasons all well known. At least they responded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Without elaborating ( as it will be found sensitive and will touch
>>>>>> raw nerves) let me just say - based on my knowledge gained from reading,
>>>>>> listening to and my own reflection  of what I read and listened to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand there will be different opinions BUT I strongly feel all
>>>>>> of us are humans and hence deserve to be treated as such - there is no
>>>>>> question of superiority or inferiority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Each of us have a job to do and let us do it. There is something
>>>>>> called " Dignity of Labour".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, different sects follow different customs and we can't judge
>>>>>> others by what we do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us do what we do and let them do what they do. Who are  we to
>>>>>> dictate to others and impose our practices on others esp because none of 
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> ( in a general sense) contributed anything in the struggle of 500 years -
>>>>>> we may have sent donations to the Trust as I have, BUT that is not equal 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the struggles they had put up - just watch the dead bodies of the kar
>>>>>> sevaks bring pulled up /  dragged from the Sarayu river and you will
>>>>>> realize the price they had paid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether what they did was right or wrong is for another day- they
>>>>>> felt suppressed by the invaders and then by our own sicular crowd who 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> not hesitate to sell the Nation for a few votes - and that crowd includes
>>>>>> the so called brahmins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So they are fully entitled to decide where, when and how the
>>>>>> ceremonies will be conducted and by who. It is their customs and we are
>>>>>> outsiders as far as their practices go. If we don't like what they do let
>>>>>> us not witness or visit them - nobody compelled any one else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will we tolerate if they come and tell us how to do Kumbabhidhekam on
>>>>>> our temples?  If the answer is No then let us not comment on their
>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So let us not interfere with what is essentially their function -
>>>>>> they toiled for it, paid for it with their lives even,  and let them 
>>>>>> garner
>>>>>> all the glory that is legitimately theirs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just leave them alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are just not entitled to pass critical remarks without
>>>>>> contributing anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us remember that the paths we take may differ but ultimately the
>>>>>> Destination is the same. Methods differ but Purpose is One.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I again repeat- I prostrate a thousand times to all those responsible
>>>>>> for this magnificent Temple, reflecting our glorious heritage, and that
>>>>>> includes all the Kar Sevaks who gave their lives. Day before yesterday 
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> I was watching it I prayed for their souls and lovingly and respectfully
>>>>>> remembered them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a couple of remarks on your two mails.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.  Varnas and not Jathis,  are based on one's occupation and is not
>>>>>> by birth.
>>>>>> If it is by birth then the Greatest Mantra - Mother of All Mantras,
>>>>>> Gayathri Mantra,  was actually given by a Kshahtriya called Viswamitra 
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> through TAPAS,
>>>>>> AND NOT BY BIRTH, became a Brahma Rishi and is now addressed
>>>>>> respectfully  as Sage Vuswamitra.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. If, for argument's sake, just for argument's sake,  we consider
>>>>>> the 4th varna as coming from His Feet ( while some claim superiority
>>>>>> because they think they came from HIS FACE), then let me point out
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the Vishnu Temples the "Sadari" that we so respectfully and with
>>>>>> devotion accept to be placed on our heads represents HIS FEET.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if we claim the 4th Varna came from His Feet, it is those Feet
>>>>>> that we willingly place on our heads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was Rama's Padhukas that ruled Ayodhya for 14 years and not a
>>>>>> replica of His Face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Need I say more?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will stop here sir as I know arguments are futile. I believe
>>>>>> strongly in Karma and hence I would not demean anyone. Who knows what we
>>>>>> were in our previous births and what we will be in our next?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel it is in all our interest to
>>>>>> Give respect and Get Respected. "You get  what you give" and so let
>>>>>> us take care in what we give.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N Sekar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:56 AM, gopala krishnan
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Mr Sekar,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you provided copy to groups on your response to the mail on the
>>>>>> above topic from Mr Narayanaswamy, I felt I may express a few thoughts 
>>>>>> came
>>>>>> to me on reading it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was getting mails from Kanchimatam as *Deivathin kural *during
>>>>>> 1998's. I recollect Periyavar stating birth is by caste and not by 
>>>>>> actions.
>>>>>> By actions a Kshathriya or Vaisya  can become *equal to a brahmin *and
>>>>>> in next birth, he will be born in a brahmin family.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A soodra may become equal to a Vaisya or Kshathriya or Brahmin by his
>>>>>> noble actions, and *born in such a family in his next birth. *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He stated Brahmins going away from their duties, not that because of
>>>>>> such going away, Brahmins have   become other castes because of the 
>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I am wrong, you may express your opinion.
>>>>>> Gopalakrishnan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand  during Thretha yuga only Hinduism was there with
>>>>>> castes. Irrespective of caste, Lord Vishnu had his incarnation in 
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> castes and actually incarnation was felt not during their life period.
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