Dear Mr Sekar, I forgot to add one thing. I have read else where Gayathree manthra was there already, Sage Viswamithra put it in a new chandas.
All sages had rivalries between them, sage Brahaspathi, and sage Sukra are examples . Sage Viswamithra had pride . It made him Rajarshi, and he became Devarshi after loosing his pride. On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 10:32:29 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Mr Sekar, I have gone through your response. In that case why the Government of India still follows caste and religion? Even after 76 years why the Government of India still keeps reservation for BC, SC and ST for concessions and reservations? Even with in the religion why difference between castes? If all are humans and equal, (It should be) all the above and many more are to be changed. As homo sapiens, by nature it is very difficult to change animal qualities with in all of us. These animal qualities are responsible for all the problems in the world/countries/ states/ among people. One person feels he is superior. Another's views are ignored. There is no tolerance. Then only equality. I recollect an incidence from Ramayana. I cannot quote sarga /kanda. Once Seetha devi asked Sri Rama why people are not made equal. I desire so. Sri Rama with a smile made every body equal. Different sects of people forgot their duties. They simply enjoyed life. A leakage occurred in the palace. A search was made. No masons to attend. Sita understood the folly. Sri Rama changed the maya created. Masons appeared. Immediately the leakage was attended to. So I feel we can have some sort of equality in standard of living, not fully. I have read articles about present day Russia, still there are catagories of people doing different works, the person doing menial jobs may have better standard of living than one do red collar jobs or ordinary jobs. Gopalakrishnan On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 09:28:27 am IST, 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you both Sri G K and Sri Sridharan and a couple of others who did not cc the group for reasons all well known. At least they responded. Without elaborating ( as it will be found sensitive and will touch raw nerves) let me just say - based on my knowledge gained from reading, listening to and my own reflection of what I read and listened to. I understand there will be different opinions BUT I strongly feel all of us are humans and hence deserve to be treated as such - there is no question of superiority or inferiority. Each of us have a job to do and let us do it. There is something called " Dignity of Labour". Also, different sects follow different customs and we can't judge others by what we do. Let us do what we do and let them do what they do. Who are we to dictate to others and impose our practices on others esp because none of us ( in a general sense) contributed anything in the struggle of 500 years - we may have sent donations to the Trust as I have, BUT that is not equal to the struggles they had put up - just watch the dead bodies of the kar sevaks bring pulled up / dragged from the Sarayu river and you will realize the price they had paid. Whether what they did was right or wrong is for another day- they felt suppressed by the invaders and then by our own sicular crowd who will not hesitate to sell the Nation for a few votes - and that crowd includes the so called brahmins. So they are fully entitled to decide where, when and how the ceremonies will be conducted and by who. It is their customs and we are outsiders as far as their practices go. If we don't like what they do let us not witness or visit them - nobody compelled any one else. Will we tolerate if they come and tell us how to do Kumbabhidhekam on our temples? If the answer is No then let us not comment on their practices. So let us not interfere with what is essentially their function - they toiled for it, paid for it with their lives even, and let them garner all the glory that is legitimately theirs. Just leave them alone. We are just not entitled to pass critical remarks without contributing anything. Let us remember that the paths we take may differ but ultimately the Destination is the same. Methods differ but Purpose is One. I again repeat- I prostrate a thousand times to all those responsible for this magnificent Temple, reflecting our glorious heritage, and that includes all the Kar Sevaks who gave their lives. Day before yesterday when I was watching it I prayed for their souls and lovingly and respectfully remembered them. Just a couple of remarks on your two mails. 1. Varnas and not Jathis, are based on one's occupation and is not by birth.If it is by birth then the Greatest Mantra - Mother of All Mantras, Gayathri Mantra, was actually given by a Kshahtriya called Viswamitra who through TAPAS, AND NOT BY BIRTH, became a Brahma Rishi and is now addressed respectfully as Sage Vuswamitra. 2. If, for argument's sake, just for argument's sake, we consider the 4th varna as coming from His Feet ( while some claim superiority because they think they came from HIS FACE), then let me point out In the Vishnu Temples the "Sadari" that we so respectfully and with devotion accept to be placed on our heads represents HIS FEET. So if we claim the 4th Varna came from His Feet, it is those Feet that we willingly place on our heads. It was Rama's Padhukas that ruled Ayodhya for 14 years and not a replica of His Face. Need I say more? I will stop here sir as I know arguments are futile. I believe strongly in Karma and hence I would not demean anyone. Who knows what we were in our previous births and what we will be in our next? I feel it is in all our interest toGive respect and Get Respected. "You get what you give" and so let us take care in what we give. Regards N Sekar Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:56 AM, gopala krishnan<[email protected]> wrote: Dear Mr Sekar, Since you provided copy to groups on your response to the mail on the above topic from Mr Narayanaswamy, I felt I may express a few thoughts came to me on reading it. I was getting mails from Kanchimatam as Deivathin kural during 1998's. I recollect Periyavar stating birth is by caste and not by actions. By actions a Kshathriya or Vaisya can become equal to a brahmin and in next birth, he will be born in a brahmin family. A soodra may become equal to a Vaisya or Kshathriya or Brahmin by his noble actions, and born in such a family in his next birth. 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