so Google is evil like Vito Corelone...they have all the 'judges and politicians in their pockets' but won't share? Well this is America, anyone who has cash can buy, sell and swap any politicians they want. Look at the NRA or AARP, because they have such fanatical lobbying efforts they are evil?
i tend to agree with Ron here, the term hypocrite seems better than evil. Evil is a term i reserve more for child molesters, people who train watch and enjoy dog fights and Dick Cheney. On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Luke <[email protected]> wrote: > No, when your mission statement includes "Don't be Evil" and you treat > it as you corporate motto, that makes it fair game for me to turn > around and use it as a perjorative on them for donating $800K to > Obama's warchest while at the same time Google CEO Eric Schmidt is > serving as an "informal economic advisor" and former Google executives > on the Sicence advisory board pushing their own "network neutrality" > agenda contrary to free market principles by buying support from key > government figures including FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski. > > Furthermore, and this is pretty damning as far as I am concerned, when > you say "Don't be evil" but then go into markets with the intention of > eliminating competition just like *gasp* that old fuddy-duddy > Microsoft. I mean, let's go to Steve Jobs here: "We did not enter the > search business. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they > want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them ... This don’t be evil > mantra: It’s bullshit." > > Check the above response where I said my employer was a Fortune 200 > firm... I'm corporate, and have been for some time. And this is not a > problem to me. > > On Jul 23, 3:11 pm, Jason Service <[email protected]> wrote: > > So why is Goog evil? What are they cramming down everyone's throat? > > > > I would agree they were kind of bullied by China, but hey, a billion > > consumers might make me change my business strategy too... > > > > And does evil=a corporate "sell-out"...because i have to tell ya, most > all > > of us have a price we can be bought, sold and shipped for. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Luke <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Google opened the "evil" door by parading it around constantly to put > > > themselves over. So if it is trite then I contend that its their own > > > damn fault. > > > > > Same goes with Apple rebeling against the "evil empire"... The > > > Simpsons did a great bit on that a few years back with Comic Book Guy > > > in an Apple Store. > > > > > On Jul 23, 2:41 pm, Carlos Pedraza <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Evil is, frankly, just too trite and vague a term for any rational > > > discussion of the topic. I prefer to rate my experience with > corporations > > > based on how much they display utter indifference to my satisfaction. > By > > > that rubric, Microsoft is far more "evil" than Apple — Microsoft's > entire > > > business model is predicated on how well it serves the priestly IT cult > it > > > has built and nurtured throughout corporate America rather than being > > > motivated by the user experience of day-to-day users of their software > and > > > products. One could argue that Microsoft has strengthened its corporate > IT > > > position specifically by making its products opaque and so reliant on > the > > > daily intervention of IT departments to keep their companies nominally > > > productive. > > > > > > Naturally, as Google and Apple work to democratize the use of and > access > > > to more productive technology, Microsoft is finding that its own closed > > > model is rapidly becoming obsolete and irrelevant. I have many friends > who > > > work at high positions in Microsoft development who pretty much confirm > for > > > me that its corporate culture is antithetical to true innovation and > only > > > encourages the type of groupthink that continues to mire down what was > once > > > an agile if autocratic corporation. > > > > > > Apple, on the other hand, is mission-driven by its desire to create > > > pleasing, productive and useful user experiences. You can argue that it > > > achieves this at the cost of "openness" (itself a vague standard if > what > > > you're aiming for is overall quality and productivity by end-users > rather > > > than developers), but it's clear that Apple has been the thought leader > in > > > the industry since 1984. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > /carlos > > > > > > -- > > > > C A R L O S P E D R A Z A > > > > [email protected] |http://www.cosmicsitcom.com > > > > Twitter: @cpedraza > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Edward Crosby wrote: > > > > > > > My point is that there will always be a "evil corporation". But, > > > everyone > > > > > will have a different opinion of who is evil. > > > > > Yes, I stated that I wanted that pro Android/Google t-shirt but > that > > > > > doesn't mean I don't like Apple and consider them evil; I don't > > > consider > > > > > them or Google or Microsoft evil. My preference of "evil > corporation" > > > is > > > > > my local electric company for robbing me blind every month. > > > > > Again, nothing is perfect. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Have a Better One, > > > > > Edward Crosby > > > > >http://www.edwardcrosby.com > > > > > ----- > > > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes or firmware updates." > > > > > Merlin Mann > > > > > > >> I don't follow your logic. Just because something is successful I > > > > >> will automatically grow to dislike it? I have no problem using > > > > >> Microsoft, whom I supposedly "must" "hate," correct? > > > > > > >> I don't care about funnelling money to large corporations. I work > for > > > > >> a Fortune 200 company, which is #1 in their business field. I do, > > > > >> however, have a problem with funnelling money to large > corporations > > > > >> who turn around and then funnel money to causes which are > > > > >> fundamentally opposed to my principles and beliefs -- enough to be > > > > >> listed in the Top 10 contributors to said cause. > > > > > > >> If I have to pick a side in this fight, it has to be Apple, who, > while > > > > >> evil, is sort of a benign evil -- unlike Google. I went to a > dinner > > > > >> where a VP of Google was the keynote speaker. And to a room of > > > middle- > > > > >> aged executives and businessfolks, he railed on and on about > "Don't be > > > > >> evil." And they're all laughing and giggling, and the whole time > I am > > > > >> saying to myself, "You morons, he is MAKING FUN OF YOU. You are > the > > > > >> ones he calls 'evil!'" > > > > > > >> And yes the irony of point that out while posting on a Google > group is > > > > >> not lost to me. > > > > > > >> If MS got their act together as far as a mobile version of Windows > > > > >> which could supply Windows-like productivity, I am of the opinion > that > > > > >> this market would be owned by them in a short order. One hopes > that > > > > >> they learned their lesson with the Zune. Whether they did or not I > > > > >> don't know. > > > > > > >> On Jul 23, 1:49 pm, "Edward Crosby" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >>> Well, unfortunately it doesn't work that way. You could have your > > > wish > > > > >>> for > > > > >>> a non-politicized option but eventually that option would evolve > into > > > > >>> something else you would be against. > > > > >>> It's a flawed society. Nothing is perfect. > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > >>> Have a Better One, > > > > >>> Edward Crosbyhttp://www.edwardcrosby.com > > > > >>> ----- > > > > >>> "There are no atheists in foxholes or firmware updates." > > > > >>> Merlin Mann > > > > > > >>>> Or some other, non-politicized, option? Yes, thank you. > > > > > > >>>> On Jul 23, 1:36 pm, Jennifer Walker <[email protected] > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>> So we'd be stuck with Microsoft? Um... no, please. > > > > > > >>>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Luke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Maybe Apple and Google will destroy one another. > > > > > > >>>>>> On Jul 23, 1:02 pm, "Edward Crosby" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> This is pretty awesome. > > > > > > >>>>>>>http://bit.ly/dqxW0v > > > > > > >>>>>>> I'm thinking I may buy the t-shirt. > > > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>>> Have a Better One, > > > > >>>>>>> Edward Crosbyhttp://www.edwardcrosby.com > > > > >>>>>>> ----- > > > > >>>>>>> "There are no atheists in foxholes or firmware updates." > > > > >>>>>>> Merlin Mann > > > > > > >>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > >>>>> Groups > > > > >>>>>> "The Unique Geek" group. > > > > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > > > > >>> [email protected]. > > > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >>>>>> [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > <theuniquegeek%2bunsubscr...@goog > > > > >>> legroups.com> > > > > >>>>>> . > > > > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > > > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > >>>>> Jennifer "Scraps" Walker > > > > >>>>> Queen of the Helper Monkeys > > > > > > >>>>> Better living through creativity... and > > > > >>>>> cocktails!http://www.scrapsoflife.com/blog-Hidequotedtext - > > > > > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > >>> Groups > > > > >>>> "The Unique Geek" group. > > > > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > [email protected] > > > . > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >>>> [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > . > > > > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext > > > - > > > > > > >>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > >> "The Unique Geek" group. > > > > >> To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >> [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > . > > > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "The Unique Geek" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "The Unique Geek" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Unique Geek" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Unique Geek" group. 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