Hi Josiah > Ciao Jeremy > > The issue on this is that it was a pretty routine issue closing threads on > request previously. > It helps in that readers then know you don't need to bother reading that > thread. > Unless a moderator is reading everything it won't happen now. > > I hope we can get to some kind of consensus on a way forward because right > now it is less than optimal. > I appreciate there are issues on closing threads, pinning & tagging (most > issues are on the latter I think, as its not fully clear what has gone on) > but none of it was exactly a huge problem.
As far as I can tell we have two options: * Leave moderation functions open to everyone, which we know causes problems for users who don’t expect their actions to affect other users * Restrict moderation functions to a group of moderators, which we know causes frustration for people who want to be able to do moderator-like things without being a moderator Obviously, the latter approach is taken universally by online communities. We’re not trying to re-invent how online communities work (or at least not yet!), and so I don’t see a need to depart from what has worked for other communities. Best wishes Jeremy. > > Best wishes > Josiah > > On Monday, 9 December 2019 16:40:47 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > Hi Josiah > >> I just noticed that it appears a reader can no longer "close" a thread. >> >> I assume that is a side effect of the recent changes in the admin system? >> >> Quite often authors of threads request that (as it is not possible for the >> author of the thread to close it) it be closed when they got an answer that >> solves it. >> >> Are moderators now going to look for that? It seemed to work fine before. > > As discussed above, the Google Groups permissions are not very granular. > We’ve changed a single setting called “Moderation” and it appears to affect > pinning, tagging, closing — pretty much everything except post. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > >> >> Best wishes >> Josiah >> >> On Saturday, 7 December 2019 12:37:34 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>> >>> I could be wrong, but it looks like the feature has already been turned >>> off. I did feel that the original list of tags was too broad. >> >> It sounds like tagging is classified under the same “moderation” permission >> that governs the ability to pin posts. >> >> We could revert the change, but perhaps the solution here is to appoint some >> more group managers. The top 10 posters according to Google Groups are >> below. Eric is already a group manager, but it might be good if maybe 3 or 4 >> of these people volunteered for the role. >> TonyM >> Mohammad >> TiddlyTweeter >> Mark S >> Arlen >> Eric >> A Gloom >> PMario >> (me) >> Jed (inmysocks) >> See https://groups.google.com/forum/#!aboutgroup/tiddlywiki >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!aboutgroup/tiddlywiki> >> >> The group managers would: >> Help Eric with moderating posts flagged by Google as spam >> Pin and unpin threads >> Compile pinned anthology posts summarising important announcements and >> discussions >> And perhaps use whatever other useful moderation features may be lurking >> under the surface of Google Groups >> It also seems like we need to be more transparent about the rules and >> conventions we’re following to manage the group. I’d suggest adding a >> tiddler to tiddlywiki.com <http://tiddlywiki.com/> in which we describe our >> approach (for example, guidelines about when to pin a thread, or a thread >> from last year where I posted about the need to criticise ideas rather than >> people). Perhaps we actually need two: one called “Moderation Policies” >> focusing on the role of group managers and one called “Code of Conduct” >> focusing on the standards of behaviour we expect from everyone in the group. >> >> I’d welcome any advice/thoughts from people who have experience of other >> online communities. I’m sure we can do a better job overall, and I suspect >> more formal roles in the community will be a part of it. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Jeremy. >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 4:55:32 AM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>> In another thread ... >>> >>> Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>> * Pinning should never have been globally available. I appreciate the >>> argument that no great harm was done, but it evidently created confusion as >>> to who could see that a thread had been pinned >>> * We should agree on general rules for what threads might qualify for being >>> pinned. To me, pinning would start with urgent announcements (e.g. if >>> discovered a serious bug in a release and wanted to warn people to >>> upgrade), important on-going informational threads like “Newbies start here” >>> >>> Ciao Jeremy >>> >>> In another thread >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/gWtX7uGi2QQ/xg6sv0PICQAJ> we >>> discussing user v. admin privileges re PINS. >>> >>> Here I want to ask about TAGS. >>> >>> First I just want to check IF you are aware that at the moment any user can >>> both add or delete TAGS on any post? >>> >>> + In a way its v. good in that missing tags get added. >>> + Its good that an original author who has not added them may have them >>> added by an enthusiastic user >>> >>> - in another way its not ideal as these don't get documented and the >>> numbers could get vast... >>> - I see no place user added tags get listed. >>> >>> For example, this post I gave tags: "question GoogleGroup tags" >>> >>> Tags have proved very useful for finding things here. 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