> Don't think the name is one the issue here?


Right. Likely several inter-related issues that might include ...

1 - *Naming:* "Tiddly" & "Tiddler" (I agree with Mark S. they are overall 
negative), also likely "Wiki" (I'm not convinced it is a Good fit to TW). 

2 - *Unclarity: *the problem with comparing to things like "Shower" is you 
end up comparing a single utility with limited scope with a tool (TW) that 
let's you make something like Shower AND any number of other tools. I think 
the comparison base is misleading? But that reflects a difficulty in 
actually articulating what TW is. Should we pitch the APPS of TW made or 
pitch the PROCESS of making? Hope that is clear enough.

3 - *Poor Showcase: *at the moment we don't really have enough diverse 
fully developed apps listed in one place you can point a user (with 
specific outcomes to look at). FYI I'd say your work is very good for 
showing "range" or outcomes. If we listed another 70 or so TW with diverse 
purposes functioning and organised by purpose I think it would help a lot.

4 - *Making Apps. v. Using Them: *Question: *is the audience/user-cohort 
people who want to make apps?* Or (and) *those who just want to use it 
out-of-the-box in a specific field of interest?* (e.g. for: ethnographic 
notes; pin board; maintaining a legal document; searching the internet; 
gallery of images; recording observations in an experiment; shopping-lists 
etc, etc). 

Short question: *Whilst specific apps can be defined, what do you promote? 
The final apps or "the making tool"?*

Thoughts
TT


On Sunday, 8 March 2020 07:42:46 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Mark,
>  have you noted on the stars Tiddlywiki 
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5> has got on GitHub? 4.6k
>
> A very small html app like Shower which creates slides on html5+js+css has 
> got 4.4k
> If I compare Shower <https://github.com/shower/shower>with Tiddlywiki, I 
> give it 10 against 100? Shower can be implemented like a TW plugin. I 
> believe Tiddlyshow is much powerful and feature rich in comparison to 
> Shower!
>
> Popularity and ranks in GitHub encourage newcomers to think those with 
> higher stars are better product!
>
> Don't think the name is one the issue here?
>

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