Arlen, not a criticism, but what is the meaning here of "Wiki"? What does it add?
My concern about it is its in a way empty of meaning. I think if you used a wiki it makes some sense. But if you haven't? Just gentle thoughts Josiah On Monday, 9 March 2020 21:07:52 UTC+1, Arlen Beiler wrote: > > AtomicWiki > That's another idea. I think it captures the essence of TiddlyWiki. > > Or the office suite :) > NoteWiki > SheetWiki > SlideWiki > TableWiki > > More ideas > PageWiki > > Coral Platform (the idea of living building blocks) > > > > > MinnoWiki seems to carry about as much appeal as TiddlyWiki (if you have > no negative connotation for the word "Tiddly"), I would think. > > Arlen > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 9:07 AM TiddlyTweeter <tiddly...@assays.tv > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> My sense is that the real solution to TiddlyWiki gaining more traction in >>> the marketplace is about creating one or more compelling "killer apps" that >>> fill widely-perceived, but under-served demands for a particular set of >>> features rather than avoiding any general aversion to the underlying >>> TiddlyWiki name, and that changing the name will accomplish almost nothing >>> in this regard. >> >> >> Eric, am I allowed to agree with both you & Mark S. ? :-) >> >> The "killer apps" part of this I fully agree with. It simply makes sense >> to me to address niches with precise solutions, which is exactly what TW is >> spectacularly good at. >> >> And we may already have them but don't seem to have a way to advance >> them. >> >> So there is, maybe, a missing promo piece? >> >> Thoughts >> TT >> >> On Sunday, 8 March 2020 05:11:51 UTC+1, Eric Shulman wrote: >>> >>> On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 5:05:36 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote: >>>> >>>> I think if we had stats, you'd find that basically there's about 350 >>>> million people >>>> >>> >>> If we had stats... then we would have a number... but without stats, >>> saying "350 million" is just an imagined number. This reminds of an old >>> saying: "86.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot" :) >>> >>> >>>> who will automatically discount a product that has a childish, >>>> non-serious, and embarrassing name like "Tiddly--anything". >>>> >>> >>> I think you are vastly overstating the "embarrassing" aspect. I suspect >>> that is more of a personal response on your part, rather than some general >>> truth. As I wrote previously: >>> >>> *REAL adults... evaluate the cost/benefit relationship to their >>> objectives, and adopt whatever tech makes sense to meet their goals.* >>> >>> Yes, there are PROMOTED products with childish names (e.g. Duck Duck Go, >>>> which has a TINY sliver of the search market) >>>> >>> >>> Compared to Google, *ALL* other search sites have "a tiny sliver of the >>> search market". As I previously noted, >>> https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/top-100-websites-ranking.html >>> shows >>> that DuckDuckGo.com has had a 10-fold growth in the past 5 years, and gets >>> 30 MILLION HITS PER DAY. While this is clearly nowhere near Google's >>> traffic stats, it's also clearly NOT trivial. >>> >>> But TiddlyWiki has no promotion mechanism. It's that initial "bump" that >>>> is the problem. People are turning away from TW >>>> before they know anything more because in their language the name says >>>> "Just a toy -- ok to ignore". >>>> >>> >>> Again, I think that you are vastly overstating the impact that a product >>> *name* has on decision-making. Sure, some people will dismiss TiddlyWiki >>> "before they know anything more", but I believe that most people are not >>> quite that shallow, especially when they are looking for potential >>> solutions to their needs. >>> >>> >>>> Yes, if there's an evangelizer in the room, they can get past that. >>>> >>> >>> This suggests that TiddlyWiki simply needs some more persuasive >>> "evangelizing"... and that doesn't necessarily mean someone "in the room". >>> >>> Consider a likely scenario: >>> >>> Someone is searching for "wiki" software. They start by searching >>> Google for "wiki programs". Among the top search results are several "wiki >>> review sites". Being somewhat jaded by internet hype, they skip over the >>> "advertisement" links and the first few links, which appear to be minor >>> sites (www.clickonf5.org) or self-promoting (www.helpiewp.com, which >>> lists its own HelpieWiki first!). The next Google search result is >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software#Personal_wiki_software>; >>> >>> and Wikipedia is generally well-regarded as having reasonably objective and >>> useful information (except for certain controversial topics... of which >>> "wiki software" is NOT!) >>> >>> On that Wikipedia page, they find that TiddlyWiki is listed TWICE: >>> >>> First, under the "javascript-based" category, where it is described as >>> >>> *"...a HTML-JavaScript-based server-less wiki in which the entire >>>> site/wiki is contained in a single file"* >>> >>> >>> TiddlyWiki is also listed again, under the "personal wiki software" >>> category, where is it described as >>> >>> *"...a free, open-source personal use (single-machine) wiki based on >>>> HTML/JavaScript for any browser and OS. It supports customization and a >>>> wide range of addons."* >>> >>> >>> Thus, from this one lookup on Wikipedia, TiddlyWiki is already >>> "evangelized" as: >>> * server-less (ease of setup) >>> * single file (low resource demand) >>> * free/open source (no expense) >>> * any browser and OS (cross-platform flexibility) >>> * customizable/addons (adaptable to a variety of needs) >>> >>> and that is just from *two sentences* on one site. Continuing down the >>> Google search results, the next site that seems promising is >>> https://www.wikimatrix.org/ <https://www.wikimatrix.org/show/tiddlywiki> >>> which >>> declares: *WikiMatrix: Compare Them All,* where you can find this page: >>> >>> https://www.wikimatrix.org/show/tiddlywiki >>> >>> which give a terse, but reasonably thorough overview of TiddlyWiki's >>> features and capabilities. >>> >>> Then, after reading through those two sites, you might decide to do a >>> Google search for "TiddlyWiki" itself to see what other sites might mention >>> it. >>> >>> The result includes not only a direct links to tiddlywiki.com and >>> classic.tiddlywiki.com, but also links to Wikipedia ( >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiddlyWiki), OpenSource.com ( >>> https://opensource.com/article/19/2/tiddlywiki), GitHub ( >>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5), Twitter ( >>> https://twitter.com/tiddlywiki), and numerous other sites that review >>> TiddlyWiki, and are almost universally positive (or at least neutral) in >>> their assessments. >>> >>> Thus, with just a little bit of basic searching, TiddlyWiki presents a >>> very positive and encouraging impression that rapidly overcomes any >>> knee-jerk reaction to what may initially seem to be a silly name. >>> >>> I would need a linguist to find correspondingly diminutive forms for >>>> every language and/or English dialect. I can only say, >>>> in many parts it is EMBARRASSING to explain to people that you are >>>> using a product called TiddlyWiki. >>>> >>> >>> Once again, this seems to be an over-generalization of your own personal >>> feelings of *embarrassment*, rather than a clear indication of a >>> wide-spread reaction to the name. The use of the phrase "in many parts", >>> sound much like the way the current US president says "many people are >>> saying" when, in fact, it is often just his opinion, without much basis in >>> *fact*. >>> >>> And I wish everyone would quit saying "We would have to change >>>> everything." or "we would lose our search results." >>>> You don't have to change everything. You can keep the tiddlywiki.com >>>> site, the forum, pretty much everything except >>>> the publicly exposed name of the product. >>>> >>> >>> There have already been several suggestions of this variety, where a >>> "publicly exposed name" might help target specific markets, but still >>> reference "powered by TiddlyWiki". >>> >>> Mark... I appreciate your concerns... but -- with the utmost respect -- >>> I think you've gotten into a "can't see the forest for the trees" mindset >>> about changing the name as a panacea for the real issues. >>> >>> My sense is that the real solution to TiddlyWiki gaining more traction >>> in the marketplace is about creating one or more compelling "killer apps" >>> that fill widely-perceived, but under-served demands for a particular set >>> of features rather than avoiding any general aversion to the underlying >>> TiddlyWiki name, and that changing the name will accomplish almost nothing >>> in this regard. >>> >>> So... rather than expending lots of effort to re-label something that WE >>> already know is good, let's focus on building and promoting those killer >>> apps that make the benefits of TiddlyWiki even more clear to others. >>> >>> enjoy, >>> -e >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a8b71ad2-f9ba-4f98-a59c-54c3bc1256a6%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a8b71ad2-f9ba-4f98-a59c-54c3bc1256a6%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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