Hello everybody, quite ironically, recently I've mentioned this topic to Jeremy before this thread started (or at least before I saw it) and we were going to discuss it a bit when he recovers, but I'll make some brief points here (well, as brief as I usually do :D).
1. TiddlyWiki Classic is not going anywhere. There's a number of active users and there's development of the core, infrastructure, docs and extensions going on. The progress is not very fast, my (time) resources are quite limited but there are other community members who contribute valuable bits and I hope their number will grow, especially when some infrastructure issues get resolved (explorability and autoupdating of plugins, CD of docs updates etc) – well, once I have reasonably good infrastructure I'll release a number of new plugins myself. TWC already works with Timimi in Firefox and I'm exploring ways to adapt it to Chrome (and Chromium-based browsers), I've proposed the first PR that makes it work with TWC, it is now merged <https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/pull/48>, but looks like it won't pass the security check of Chrome extensions store so I'll finish this once I implement async saving in TWC core. Okido, James, Donmor and others created new TWC savers <https://classic.tiddlywiki.com/#[[Setting up saving]]> and other tools. Things are changing. 2. Sure, TWC needs many things updated before it can really attract new users, especially when there are tools like TW5 or Notion out there. I have plans for important improvements like changing the design* <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywikiclassic/0nJ2Fm0lFGM> in a backward compatible way, but I have somewhat realistic view regarding chances that TWC community will grow, although there are definitely those who use TWC but haven't joined the TWC google group yet. If somebody is reading this, I invite you to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywikiclassic 3. Nevertheless, I'm a bit upset by the general attempt to lock TWC from new users. I'm not doing about this much (beside improving TWC ecosystem for existing and potential users) but find some conversations somewhat offensive. On the other hand, this route of discussion sometimes brings more points about values of TWC. They are difficult to list reasonably clearly, not in a form of "there are great many plugins like those in TiddlyTools". Even some distinct features like those provided by SharedTiddlersPlugin <http://yakovl.bplaced.net/TW/STP/STP.html> are not so easy to understand until you really need them. Others, like HandsontablePlugin <http://yakovl.bplaced.net/TW/Spreadsheets.html> or ace-Plugin.js <https://nwokido.github.io/ace-Plugin.js/> are more clear though. 4. Here's an important point that I'd like to be heard. I believe that afterall it is not specific tool that makes the community to thrive and have great user experience in the long term, but rather certain principles that ensure quality and progress. They include both "purely human" principles like kindness, open-mindness, exploration of others' needs, readiness to help, giving back; and "more technical" principles like Open Source and usage of permissive licenses (like MIT or BSD) and other things that facilitate contribution and sharing (providing additional docs, especially when the project requires some "building" from the sources, using infrastructure like github for easier proposing of changes etc), Open Design (describing software and data architecture so that it can be shared, adapted or improved) and usage of various design patterns. I also believe that discussing differences between TWC, TW5 and other platforms, possible architecture convergence, content federation can be very fruitful (for instance, a bit more help with describing saving architecture* <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywikidev/e8hAHYLWUbQ> will allow to both adapt MainTiddlyServer <https://yakovl.github.io/MainTiddlyServer> to save TW5 and to make TWC core saver similar to that of TW5 so that new savers can easily support both and also that will point some blank spots like universal model for file loading etc). So poking one another is not the best option we actually have. Best regards, Yakov. понедельник, 18 мая 2020 г., 20:57:48 UTC+3 пользователь passingby написал: > > Let's take the case of individual TWC documents that are out there, or > even somebody going ahead and creating a new document in TWC. > > 1. TWC is Javascript. And Javascript is javascript, no worries of it > expiring right now. > > 2. There is no database or any third party Softwares which might pose a > problem. > > 3. If it's a personal offline document, TWC offers a great scope of doing > WHATEVER one wants to do with it if one knows Javascript. Because of Eric's > javascript plugin one could really go to the Town with hacking. > > > On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 3:54:01 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote: >> >> Disregarding the irony of the very title: >> >> In another thread someone requested more attention to TiddlyWiki >> Classic/TWC/TW2, i.e the predecessor to TW5. To which I replied: >> >> I don't get why NEW attention should be brought to TWC which is, after >>> all, a system we've advanced from. Sure, it works and it's great, but there >>> has been no development for it in almost a decade. It seems mostly that >>> people who use it do so because they didn't muster up the effort to make >>> the transition. Yes, I know this is not 100% the case because TWC is more >>> performant in some aspects but the same can probably be said of Windows 95 >>> or whatever. We've moved on, for good reasons, and we should not "trick" >>> people into spending time on that old technology. There is recurring >>> confusion for newcomers where they found some plugin or information that >>> strangely "doesn't work". >>> Let TWC fade out to be a nostalgic memory that is still *beautiful *but >>> that we shouldn't *dwell *on. >> >> >> And to which TiddlyTweeter replied: >> >> Could you please take this OUT of [that thread] so I can lambast your ass >>> appropriately. >> >> >> AHA! Challenge accepted! >> >> >> <https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2013/11/WS5/lead_large.jpg> >> >> >> <:-) >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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