Yakov,
I support maintaining TWC and appreciate your work and words on this
matter. Yet perhaps I come from yet another position, as TiddlyWiki did a
big Jump from 2 to 5 so did I. I delayed until version 5 became mature
enough and then took the big jump. The value of TWC being maintained i I
still have my original multi function TWC tiddlyWiki sitting in
TiddlyDesktop available on demand. This fact actually helped me migrate,
that is a healthy and vital TWC Platform is needed if we want to support
those who may eventually Jump to TW5.
Interestingly I built up my new personal organiser first to replace the one
in TWC, before I started dozens of other tiddlywikis. Irrespective of
TiddlyWiki version I am looking to rebuild this soon based on new features
and my own knowledge, basically like the itterations in transitions from
TWC to TW5, I am about to do a new one TW5(early) to TW5(recent
knowledge), this will be easier than the last "jump".
Here are some personal observations to consider;
- In TWC I found my self dependant on others releasing new versions,
rather than in TW5 I can use wiki text to solve almost anything.
- I used to go to Erics tiddlytools and the recent tab regularly
- We could use Javascript more in TWC in some ways, but this "need" on
my part has diminished with TW5
- I was starting to find TWC more fragile and had a few disasters.
- Perhaps you have improved the saving for TWC but I now use Timimi,
tw-receiver and node server implementations, is TWC as rich in these?
- I now feel I can do almost anything in TW5 when TWC made me dependant
on more than the Google Forums.
As a former TWC enthusiast who made the jump, I know it hurts a little (OK
perhaps a lot), but mostly it was the need to learn new ideas and concepts,
and that is what I thrive in.
I appreciate your contributions to TWC and consider them important, but at
some point we need to jump from petrol/Gas to Electric. But we always want
to service our antiques and some people will always remain enthusiasts of
TWC.
Regards
Tony
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC+10, Yakov wrote:
>
>
> Yakov - interesting to read.
>> Can I ask what makes you, personally, stick with TWC instead of switching
>> to TW5?
>>
>
> Well, that's quite simple: first, it's migration that's basically
> impossible (too many extensions, too much content, no tools for gradual
> migration like TW5 with formatter from TWC or mixed formatter and no docs
> to migrate extensions). Let be honest, this first reason is enough, I can't
> estimate others effectively. But also TW5 has design which is not nice for
> desktop, higher learning curve (or at least I have to learn more than I
> expected to just create a simple aggregated list or a simple plugin etc).
> May be there were other reasons, I don't remember.
>
> What is it that you and the TWC community sees that Jeremy did not see
>> when he *evidently *said that TWC is not a good enough system and it
>> needs a complete revamp?
>>
>
> Well, I've tried to figure what are the main architecture differences and
> asked about that 2 or 3 times but never got any detailed answer. TWC
> architecture has some flaws, but don't consider any of them unrepairable.
> The question as you put it doesn't seem to be quite correct.
>
>
>> So no misunderstanding: This is a totally fair question, asked because I
>> really would like to know. I was once a TWC user (I started with TW in
>> 2006/7 so...) and loved it but after having started with TW5 I'm not even
>> considering going back. Yes, there are a few bits that we don't have in TW5
>> but there is a ton of stuff that we don't have in TWC.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>
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