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On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:25:18 AM UTC+8 Sapphireslinger wrote: > Bitmanteau > > Tiddlywiki nicer though. > > The only hassle I remember is trying to explain to my mom that a tiddler > was just another name for an entry. > > On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:11:32 AM UTC+8 Corey S wrote: > >> I haven't read everything yet, but to a possible name change, I was >> thinking of a name like BitWiki or something, if it hasn't been taken >> already. >> A Bit = Tiddly >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 2:23:45 PM UTC-7 Ed Heil wrote: >> >>> Hi Jeremy, >>> >>> Re-reading this message (and studiously avoiding making any suggestions >>> for new names) the idea of "targeting more modern JavaScript engines" makes >>> me wonder about the question of "how modern a browser do you need to have >>> to have a working Tiddlywiki?" >>> >>> With regards to minimum browsers for TW5, according to the web site it's >>> "Safari version 6" (from 2012!) IE version 10 (also from 2012!) and "all >>> recent" Chrome, Firefox, and Firefox for Android, whatever that means, but >>> presumably going back comparably far. So right now TW5 is usable in >>> browsers that go about 8 years back, which is nice. And TWC support >>> obviously goes back way further than that. >>> >>> How big a change in "you need this recent a browser" would you think was >>> acceptable in a "Xememex" project? >>> >>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 7:52:20 AM UTC-5 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> As appealing as this sounds, I just don't think that as a small >>>> community we have the resources to support both, unless the intention >>>> would >>>> be for TiddlyWiki 5 to only receive bug fix updates. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think that would be the default, yes, unless somebody wanted to pick >>>> up the development more purposefully. >>>> >>>> As you mention in a later reply, the real challenge is replacing the >>>> word tiddler. I remember trying this in Classic and it wasn't easy then >>>> and >>>> is probably even harder now with all the widget attributes etc. Which >>>> makes >>>> me wonder if this would really be the best use of our time and resources? >>>> >>>> >>>> That is indeed one of the critical questions. >>>> >>>> Over the years we've had consistent feedback on the name "TiddlyWiki" >>>> that ranges between: >>>> >>>> * I don't care about the name, it's just a meaningless string of letters >>>> * I think the name is fine, it's distinctive, and has few false >>>> positives when Googling >>>> * I think the name diminishes TiddlyWiki >>>> * I think the name is a thinly veiled obscenity >>>> >>>> That last category is undoubtedly a minority, but it's a very >>>> consistently and forcefully expressed opinion when it does come up. I used >>>> to think that view said more about the people holding it than anything >>>> else. But the trouble is that I'm too close to the thing: the name >>>> "TiddlyWiki" is my little piece of wordplay, and I'm attached to it. I >>>> think maybe that might hold for many of us who have invested time and >>>> effort in the project. So I have to pay attention to feedback that comes >>>> from a different perspective, because I'm never going to be able to assume >>>> that perspective myself. >>>> >>>> The other consideration in all of this is my desire to modernise the >>>> design of TW5 and establish a new baseline for backwards compatibility. >>>> After 10 years, it's becoming increasingly limiting to live with some of >>>> the early design decisions of TW5 (a lot of which are pretty arcane - for >>>> example, "tiddlerfield" modules). I believe we would make faster and more >>>> decisive progress if we lost some of that baggage. >>>> >>>> The idea of modernising the core relates to the naming change because >>>> another bit of feedback that I received back in 2011-13 was that it was a >>>> mistake to reuse the name TiddlyWiki for the new project. Many people felt >>>> that it was unnecessarily confusing to have two distinct products with the >>>> same name, and struggled with my perspective that TWC and TW5 were >>>> different versions of the same thing. >>>> >>>> So, what I learned from all of the above is that names for communal >>>> things are tricky. People have strong opinions because they feel they have >>>> a stake. The thing that is particularly tricky is trying to change what an >>>> existing name means if the previous meaning is entrenched in the community. >>>> >>>> In other words, I think TiddlyWiki 5 is ripe for such a thorough >>>> internal overhaul that changing the names might not be as much of a >>>> practical consideration as it would be if we had to maintain backwards >>>> compatibility. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Jeremy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Saq >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/46fa1057-6405-463e-8ec2-b67532599227n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/46fa1057-6405-463e-8ec2-b67532599227n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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