Hi everyone, here's my honest feedback, I hope it will be useful :
springer
<https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/eccIEHZoxsI/m/jQ1dPEyKAwAJ> :
love the simplicity of it. I instantly understood what the update was
about, only thing missing is the drag&drop feature, which I agree with saq
seems too important to be left out. One way around it maybe would be to
"drag and drop the whole image of that logo", adding a mouse cursor at the
edge of it .. this would add a lot of clutter tho. The variation @Mohamed
did, while showing all the main newelty of this update, is too cluttered
IMO. Color wise, I think it would be best to use the color palette of the
vanilla TW, since new users will see TW in the vanilla theme and might
think that the black and white logo is a way to show that now tiddlywiki as
a night mode option. While this is technically true (with the palette),
this is not part of the update so it may be a bit confusing. This goes for
the font you used too, I might be wrong but it looks like it's not the
default font used by TW. The feature slogan is a nifty touch but goes
against the brief. You could left the fields empty, use gibberish text
(lorem ipsum), or use a conceptual approach and use rectangular bars as a
placeholder (something you can see on some website, like when youtube is
loading content). I personally don't like the masked versions. This makes
the logo trapped into a shape, while all the previous splash screens (that
I know of) were either rectangular or open. The mouse cursor suggests that
it's hovering a link, while we see a field in the picture so it's a bit
confusing.
iamdar <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/eccIEHZoxsI/m/ocGkfBelAwAJ>
: the fish logo is very cute and the cloud of files is a great way to show
how tiddlers are interconnected. I can't see how this relates to this
particular update though. Maybe the fish could be added by drag and drop at
the center of the files ? It would show how we can now easily add images
inside a wiki, like dropping a fish in a pond. You could even add ripples,
but this may be too much. To be honest, I'm really not a fan of the O of
the version number though, to me it looks like you meshed up two icons
together instead of one. It also makes the numbers a bit less readable.
While it's a cool 3D effect, to my eyes it's jarring next to the flat,
non-shaded style of the fish. I also fail to see how it relates to the
update.
IMO the version with a white background looks better, the fish is a bit
drowned in that blue (no pun intended).Your second proposition, without the
fish, seems a bit better in regard to my previous point (only one logo is
best). Maybe use {} instead of [] to appeal to the json change ? I know
both are used in JSON but the [] looks more like a tiddlywiki link. Again,
not a fan of the 3D look. I do like the dotted line however, it makes it
very clear that the 0 is being dropped. It would be best to use a grab
cursor instead of a pointer, again it looks like we are about to click on a
link instead of drag&dropping a picture. I see you corrected it in your 4th
attempt, this looks much better IMO :)
brunsb <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/eccIEHZoxsI/m/1N0W74jbAwAJ>
: using brackets is a really good idea to show how tiddlywiki transit to a
json format. However if I understood correctly, this change does not
concern the typical end user that much, and I'm not sure this will be
understood for someone with no coding background. I feel like @jermolene
should clarify that point : who is the targeted audience of that logo ? Do
you want to appeal to new users or to devs ? Back to your design @brunsb :
while I think it's a good idea, I wouldn't put the red triangle. It doesn't
add anything (?) and feels out of place to me.
I like your second design
<https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/eccIEHZoxsI/m/2xIM9maFBQAJ> a lot
! It is simple, very clear, we see the drag&drop feature, the version
number. Maybe it would be best to not obfuscate the Tiddlywiki name
however. The mouse cursor should be a grab cursor.
Brian Radspinner
<https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/eccIEHZoxsI/m/SbpSTasoBQAJ> : the
dashed line is a good way to represent the drag&drop feature, I like that !
The overall composition looks a bit rough however. Your third version
<https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/eccIEHZoxsI/m/RDJwLeE3AAAJ> looks
much better, I'm not sure about the orange background tho.
james <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/eccIEHZoxsI/m/il-Zm-6IBQAJ>:
Your logo looks like it implies that TW now has 3D anaglyph capabilities,
sorry I don't get it .. the "breaking things apart and putting them back
together" concept is clever, but the way you represent it with different
colours led me to think that this is about colors, maybe printing ? Also I
fail to see how this modular idea is representative to this update, AFAIK
tiddlywiki always was modular in the sense we could add tiddlers, plugins,
etc easily.
PS : Regarding the change of name, for all it's worth, I'm strongly against
it. Tiddlywiki is an iconic name, and while it is true that it can be
customised an almost infinite number of ways, this is not something an
average user can do. The main, out of the box use for tiddlywiki is to be a
personal wiki. That is to @Jeremy Ruston to decide of course.
Le sam. 26 juin 2021 à 10:34, TiddlyTweeter <tiddlytwee...@assays.tv> a
écrit :
> springer wrote *(my emphasis) ...*
>
>>
>> [image: fields-arial.png]
>>
>> Some considerations shaping this submission:
>>
>> keeping filesize down (just under 28K as png w alpha; 14K as flat jpg),
>> staying visually "digestible" even at small size (while not overlapping the
>> caption-banner), gesturing towards one exciting new feature (opening up of
>> fieldname options). If our collective impulse is to celebrate
>> drag-and-drop, then I'd offer up the *"minimal oval"* design instead,
>> which includes both feature-gestures.
>>
>> I'm not sure how to think about color scheme; it's clearly possible to
>> take nearly any design and adjust to nearly any palette.
>>
>> If I were a wizard with svg, I'd try making a version that pulls colors
>> from the active palette. Even if that's not necessary for the official
>> version-release image, given its role at tiddlywiki.com, we all might
>> enjoy a tw image that "rolls" with changes in the palette. (Someone
>> —telmiger? — shared an svg tool that allowed pulling svg details from
>> fields -- that was lots of fun to play with!)
>>
>
> Right! Going SVG is ultra-fit for TW as so much of its UI is SVG.
> Here is probably not the right place to discuss this. It needs its own
> thread so it does not interfere with JR's need for a bitmap.
> BUT couple of pointers ...
>
> The helpful Telmiger SVG tool for TW is at:
> https://tid.li/tw5/apps/svg.html
>
> If you can stand open-ended discussion of the technical side of SVG join
> my discussions with Morosanue about optimizing use of his vast (40,000) SVG
> icon set in TW at: https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions/2
>
> FYI you CAN convert PNG easily to SVG online BUT most of those online
> tools can only detect the SHAPE, not the COLOUR ...
> Here is your original I converted to svg quickly online (monochrome
> outcome) ...
>
> [image: test-small-svg-Screenshot 2021-06-26 093459.jpg]
>
> If you wanna discuss details I'm happy to comment in a new thread.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
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