Hi Vincent,

Table Editor v1.3.10 does save again.
Don't bother about the FF15/Win7 issue I have. I think is has something to 
do with my profile. Disabling all add-ons did not help.
But a 'fresh' FF15 portable on the same Win7 PC does work as expected. Two 
other Win7 PCs with FF15 and about the same set of add-ons do too work as 
expected.

Cheers,

Ton

On Friday, September 28, 2012 8:07:14 AM UTC+2, Vincent Yeh wrote:
>
> Ton,
>
> The saveChange bug turned out to be a silly mistake of mine! Thanks for 
> the info. But the FF15/Win7 issue is still far from me for the same 
> browser/OS combo works here. Maybe you can tell me what addons you have so 
> I can get them installed and try?
>
> TableEditor v1.3.10
>
>    - (min version) http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TableEditor--MIN
>    - (full version) http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TableEditor
>
> Changes made:
>
>    - Fixed the saveChange()-not-functioning bug when TableEditor is 
>    disabled.
>    - Set to true the spellcheck property of the edit box, making use of 
>    the spell-checking feature in HTML5.
>    - Larger font-size in table caption if given.
>    - Added option chkTEditorClickAway to toggle the 
>    "click-away-to-accept" behavior.
>       - This could be convenient when one needs to hop between windows to 
>       read and take notes.
>    
>
> Vincent
>
> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:53:17 PM UTC+8, TonG wrote:
>>
>> Hi Vincent,
>>
>> I tried your configuration option but can't get it to work.
>> I do not get configuration options when I click the 'C' button 
>> (FF15/Win7). The only effect I see when I click 'C': the 'E' button dims!
>>
>> But with IE9, Google Chrome 17 portable it works! With a fresh FF15 
>> portable it works as well.
>> I tried diasbling all add-ons in my (installed) FF to no avail. May be it 
>> is something in my profile.
>>
>> I tested further with FF15 portable.
>> When I disable the Table editor, autosave did not work anynmore but even 
>> manual saving (button 'save changes') was impossible!
>> The same holds for IE9 and Google Chrome 17 portable. See MTC [1].
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2638511/MTC_TableEditor_139.html
>>
>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:43:19 AM UTC+2, Vincent Yeh wrote:
>>>
>>> Ton,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestions. I have added an option to enable/disable the 
>>> plugin, also a popup for easy configuration for the plugin.
>>>
>>> TableEditor v1.3.9
>>>
>>>    - (min version) http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TableEditor--MIN
>>>    - (full version) http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TableEditor
>>>
>>> Main thing is a popup for easy configuration of the plugin. Press the 
>>> 'C' button to bring it up. Note that if you disable the plugin, you'll need 
>>> to go AdvancedOptions shadow tiddler to re-enable it.
>>> There is an option to enable/disable transposition of a table for 
>>> interested people. Seems to work.
>>>
>>> Have Fun!
>>>
>>> Vincent
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 24, 2012 7:17:57 PM UTC+8, TonG wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Vincent, 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the workaround. 
>>>> Yes, it works, not only in my MTC but also in my TW with 20+ plugins. 
>>>> Anyhow, I still use ToggleTagPlugin to enable/disable the TableEditor. 
>>>> May be it is an idea to let the plugin make a shadow tiddler where you 
>>>> can put in all configuration options including enable/disable of the 
>>>> TableEditor itself. 
>>>> Just as is done in YourSearchPlugin [1] where there is the shadow 
>>>> tiddler "YourSearch Options". 
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>
>>>> Ton 
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#YourSearchPlugin[1] 
>>>> http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#YourSearchPlugin 
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 24, 7:44 am, Vincent Yeh <[email protected]> wrote: 
>>>> > Ton, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Fortunately it didn't take me too much time to figure a workaround, 
>>>> > although the actual reason remains unclear to me... 
>>>> > 
>>>> > TableEditor v1.3.8 
>>>> > 
>>>> >    - (min version)http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TableEditor--MIN 
>>>> >    - (full version)http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TableEditor 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Workarounds on the autosave issue with YourSearchPlugin and the 
>>>> broken link 
>>>> > issue in multi-line mode. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Have fun! 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Vincent 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > On Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:41:21 AM UTC+8, TonG wrote: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > Hi Vincent, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > I found the conflicting plugin: YourSearchPlugin [1] from Udo 
>>>> > > Borkowski (abego-software). 
>>>> > > When TableEditor (v1.3.7) and YourSearchPlugin are both enabled 
>>>> > > "autosave" does not work anymore. 
>>>> > > With only TableEditor enabled or only YourSearchPlugin enabled 
>>>> > > "autosave" does work as expected. 
>>>> > > I made a Minimal Test Case [2]. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > Cheers, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > Ton 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > [1]http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#YourSearchPlugin 
>>>> > > [2]
>>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2638511/MTC_TableEditor_137_YourSearch.html 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > On Sep 22, 7:17 pm, Vincent Yeh <[email protected]> wrote: 
>>>> > > > Ton, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > On Saturday, September 22, 2012 1:55:48 AM UTC+8, TonG wrote: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > Hi Vincent, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > The TableEditor (v1.3.6) works great but I found two things: 
>>>> > > > > 1) At one time - used in a TW with many plugins - I got the 
>>>> 'overlay 
>>>> > > > > problem': text positioned below the table is shifted to the top 
>>>> so the 
>>>> > > > > table and text overlay. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > That could be the resiziong bug I found lately. I should have 
>>>> fixed it 
>>>> > > in 
>>>> > > > v1.3.7. Are you still having this problem with the latest 
>>>> version? 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > I tried to pinpoint the problem by disabling plugins. After 
>>>> disabling 
>>>> > > > > the first plugin the problem disappeared so I thought I found 
>>>> the 
>>>> > > > > offending plugin. But after enabling the plugin again the 
>>>> problem did 
>>>> > > > > not show up anymore! 
>>>> > > > > Irreproducible problems are very frustrating. Sometimes opening 
>>>> (for 
>>>> > > > > editing) the tiddler with overlay problems and thereafter 
>>>> canceling 
>>>> > > > > editing restores a "good" display. I assume a rendering 
>>>> problem. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > I had such experiences myself a few times, but it all came back 
>>>> normal 
>>>> > > > after relaunching the browser. I am guessing it could be the 
>>>> browser or 
>>>> > > > some deeply hidden bug that I haven't found. Not sure about this 
>>>> yet. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > 2) In the same TW "autosave" does not work anymore when the 
>>>> > > > > TableEditor is enabled. 
>>>> > > > > I use "config.options.chkAutoSave = true;" in a "systemConfig" 
>>>> tagged 
>>>> > > > > tiddler which works OK without the TableEditor; when the 
>>>> TableEditor 
>>>> > > > > plugin is enabled autosave does not work anymore. 
>>>> > > > > I tried "config.options.chkAutoSave : true" in SystemSettings 
>>>> but that 
>>>> > > > > did not work either; no "autosave" anymore with TableEditor 
>>>> enabled. 
>>>> > > > > Disabling TagSearchPlugin [1] by Tobias Beer and 
>>>> TiddlyFileImportr [2] 
>>>> > > > > by Jon Robson (which both use "autoSaveChanges" as well) did 
>>>> not help 
>>>> > > > > either. 
>>>> > > > > I ended up using the ToggleTagPlugin [3] by Simon Baird as a 
>>>> > > > > workaround. Now I can toggle the "systemConfig" tag to enable 
>>>> the 
>>>> > > > > TableEditoronly when needed; when disabled "autosave" works as 
>>>> > > > > expected. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > One possibility is that the chkTEditorManualSave option is 
>>>> interfering 
>>>> > > with 
>>>> > > > the system autosave option. Maybe I should remove this option and 
>>>> just 
>>>> > > use 
>>>> > > > the system option? Another possibility is the TableEditor is 
>>>> conflicting 
>>>> > > > with some plugin that also hijacks the saveChanges() function. 
>>>> You can 
>>>> > > try 
>>>> > > > to find one that does so and I'll try to find out what's going 
>>>> wrong. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > Cheers, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > Ton 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > [1]http://tagsearch.tiddlyspot.com/#TagSearchPlugin 
>>>> > > > > [2]http://repository.tiddlyspace.com/TiddlyFileImportr 
>>>> > > > > [3]http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#ToggleTagPlugin 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > Let's keep having fun! 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > Vincent 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > On Sep 21, 12:23 pm, Yakov <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> > > > > > Hello Vincent, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > sorry for long silence, got some major problems.. I think 
>>>> I'll 
>>>> > > return to 
>>>> > > > > > consistent testing in several days. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > Ok, I added the archive with screenshots to this message. 
>>>> It's 
>>>> > > better to 
>>>> > > > > > investigate why the site isn't visible, though.. Can you see 
>>>> > > anything at 
>>>> > > > > > [1]? 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > As for Android devices.. if you use TW on a phone, you 
>>>> probably 
>>>> > > should 
>>>> > > > > try 
>>>> > > > > > iTW [2] (AndTidWiki can generate a new one) or use at least 2 
>>>> Eric's 
>>>> > > > > > transclusions [3] to get more room. Or is there something 
>>>> aside 
>>>> > > menus 
>>>> > > > > which 
>>>> > > > > > bothers you? 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > Best regards, 
>>>> > > > > > Yakov. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > [1]http://yakovl.bplaced.net/ 
>>>> > > > > > [2]http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/ 
>>>> > > > > > [3]
>>>> http://tiddlytools.com/#ToggleRightSidebar%20ToggleLeftSidebar 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > понедельник, 17 сентября 2012 г., 8:15:30 UTC+4 пользователь 
>>>> Vincent 
>>>> > > Yeh 
>>>> > > > > > написал: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > > Yakov, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > > I keep getting an error saying "access forbidden" clicking 
>>>> the 
>>>> > > link 
>>>> > > > > below. 
>>>> > > > > > > Maybe we try another way? Or just a couple of screenshots 
>>>> here? 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > > I tried AndTidWikky on my Android phone and did see some of 
>>>> the 
>>>> > > > > features 
>>>> > > > > > > working while others not, but the screen is just too small 
>>>> to do 
>>>> > > any 
>>>> > > > > useful 
>>>> > > > > > > test. I am guessing special tricks are needed for 
>>>> AndTidWikky? 
>>>> > > I'll 
>>>> > > > > use a 
>>>> > > > > > > larger one to test when I have a chance. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > > FF15 for Android refuses to install on my phone, and I 
>>>> haven't 
>>>> > > found 
>>>> > > > > one 
>>>> > > > > > > Vista 64 system nearby, so no way to try them myself yet. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > > Cheers 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > > Vincent 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > > On Saturday, September 15, 2012 5:10:03 AM UTC+8, Yakov 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> Hello Vincent, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> thanks for the update, now extra captions are not 
>>>> displayed in 
>>>> > > the 
>>>> > > > > > >> mentioned browsers which is fine for me; on the other 
>>>> hand, 
>>>> > > Chrome 
>>>> > > > > 21.0 
>>>> > > > > > >> (latest) and Safari 5.0.3 still don't show the "E" button 
>>>> in 
>>>> > > tables 
>>>> > > > > without 
>>>> > > > > > >> a caption (OS: Vista x64); the same thing in AndTidWiki 
>>>> (which is 
>>>> > > > > more 
>>>> > > > > > >> painful for me). I guess those are WebKit browsers/app.. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> A small note: for TableEditor--MIN it may be useful to 
>>>> hide the 
>>>> > > code 
>>>> > > > > > >> using the following wrapper: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> /*** 
>>>> > > > > > >> [the header of the plugin, other visible things like 
>>>> Options] 
>>>> > > > > > >> /% 
>>>> > > > > > >> ***/ 
>>>> > > > > > >>      [code here] 
>>>> > > > > > >> /*** 
>>>> > > > > > >> %/ 
>>>> > > > > > >> ***/ 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> As for transclusions, I haven't done extended tests, but 
>>>> found 
>>>> > > that 
>>>> > > > > > >> <<tiddler ..>> macro gets an error if used with section 
>>>> which 
>>>> > > > > contains a 
>>>> > > > > > >> table:  <<tiddler [[This or another tiddler##a section 
>>>> with a 
>>>> > > > > table]]>>. 
>>>> > > > > > >> Simple transclusion test works: I put a table in one 
>>>> tiddler, 
>>>> > > > > transcluded 
>>>> > > > > > >> it into another, edited the table there, no errors, 
>>>> content of 
>>>> > > the 
>>>> > > > > first 
>>>> > > > > > >> tiddler is changed. The only note is if the first tiddler 
>>>> is 
>>>> > > opened 
>>>> > > > > at the 
>>>> > > > > > >> same time, its representation is not refreshed (the table 
>>>> is 
>>>> > > shown as 
>>>> > > > > it 
>>>> > > > > > >> was before editing). 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> I also did a test with merged cells ("|>|one long cell|", 
>>>> "|one 
>>>> > > high 
>>>> > > > > > >> cell|\n|~|") and it seems that everything works fine. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> Is it "cut-and-past the whole column to the one next" you 
>>>> are 
>>>> > > talking 
>>>> > > > > > >>> about? 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> If so then I'd rather just do the cut-and-past alone (not 
>>>> yet, 
>>>> > > > > though). 
>>>> > > > > > >>> If I am misunderstanding, please tell me more about it. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> I mean if a table has colomns A, B, C, D, shifting C to 
>>>> the left 
>>>> > > is 
>>>> > > > > > >> changing the table so that it has A, C, B, D, and then C, 
>>>> A, B, 
>>>> > > D. It 
>>>> > > > > is 
>>>> > > > > > >> close to copy+paste, just means cutting/pasting of the 
>>>> whole 
>>>> > > colomn 
>>>> > > > > > >> (instead of its content as it is done in office-like apps, 
>>>> so 
>>>> > > that 
>>>> > > > > one 
>>>> > > > > > >> needs to delete the colomn after cutting the content and 
>>>> create a 
>>>> > > new 
>>>> > > > > > >> colomn before inserting the content). Less efforts for 
>>>> such 
>>>> > > manual 
>>>> > > > > sorting 
>>>> > > > > > >> would be nice. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> As for the behavior in AndTidWiki (it's an Android app 
>>>> which acts 
>>>> > > as 
>>>> > > > > a 
>>>> > > > > > >> TiddlySaver.jar), I made a bunch of screenshots [1]. 
>>>> Sorry, I 
>>>> > > haven't 
>>>> > > > > > >> studied any tool which creates a photo gallery, so there 
>>>> are just 
>>>> > > > > files at 
>>>> > > > > > >> [1]; though, I made a zip file so that you can download 
>>>> them at 
>>>> > > once. 
>>>> > > > > The 
>>>> > > > > > >> sequence is approximately the same as I reported 
>>>> previously. 
>>>> > > Watch 
>>>> > > > > the top 
>>>> > > > > > >> table (two others are without names, so are not editable 
>>>> in 
>>>> > > > > AndTidWiki), 
>>>> > > > > > >> the names of the pictures say what is done before each 
>>>> screenshot 
>>>> > > is 
>>>> > > > > taken. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > > >> [1] 
>>>> > >http://yakovl.bplaced.net/materials/TW/table%20editor%20report/ 
>>>> > 
>>>> > > > > >  table editor report.zip 
>>>> > > > > > 1757KViewDownload 
>>>>
>>>

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