Mario, " a mechanism, that would suggest "meaningful tags" by analysing the prose text(s). ... but it needs to work without a 3rd party server. It should be integrated into TW. ... Is this possible?"
Wordnet [1] might be useful. WordNet® is a large lexical database of English. Nouns, verbs, adjectives and adverbs are grouped into sets of cognitive synonyms (synsets), each expressing a distinct concept. Synsets are interlinked by means of conceptual-semantic and lexical relations. The resulting network of meaningfully related words and concepts can be navigated with the browser <http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn>. WordNet is also freely and publicly available for download <https://wordnet.princeton.edu/download>. WordNet's structure makes it a useful tool for computational linguistics and natural language processing. I use it a lot to find words at higher or lower levels of abstraction. It would be wonderful if, when tagging, words from Wordnet were suggested... Alex [1] https://wordnet.princeton.edu/ On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 11:58, PMario <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote: > ... > >> What I did was to use Baysian inference to "learn" the relationship >> between the words in the text and the supplied tags - so for each word in >> the text I caculate the probability that the tiddler has tag <T> (forall >> known tags <T>) - then in a second pass I tested the model and predicted >> the tags from the text. This way I could correctly predict about 80% of the >> tags from the text alone. The problem was that, to me, many of the tags >> were meaningless and were used internally to organise the TW. >> > > That's interesting. ... But I think this has some "evolutionary" causes. > > I think, it hasn't always been that way. Open classic.tiddlywiki.com ... > You'll see wikipedia-like tag-box in every tiddler. ... The UI isn't "nice" > with tags here. .. So a very common question in the group was: "How can I > switch this box off?" > > I personally prefer something that's called "TagglyTagging" (... oh we > love those weird names :) I think TagglyTagging was introduced with MPTW > <http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#TagglyTagging> (Monkey Pirate TiddlyWiki). > For me it was a completely new way to work with tiddler titles. ... TT is a > set of plugins, that allows you to visualize the relation between different > tiddlers ... It speeds up navigation between related tiddlers, in a very > convenient way. ... The "sitemap" view is what we call TOC (Table of > Content) in TW5 now. > > An other plugin, that imo influenced TW5 was: the fET-plugin (for each > tiddler) <https://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#ForEachTiddlerMacro>. It > allows *users *to iterate over the tiddler store and *create *many types > of "*list-views*". This plugin was highly influential for the TW5 > list-widget, and <<list-links ...>> macros that we have today. > > Both of those systems (mis)use tags to create internal structure, because > the tagging mechanism *was and is* highly optimized. Both in the > core-software and the UI. The core uses several caches to speed up tag and > "backlink" lookups. ... We do have fields and filters, that are able to > create invisible internal structure. But none of those possibilities offer > the performance and "ease of use" from the UI perspective. > > In my opinion the TF*IDF were better than the assigned tags since they had >> nothing >> to do with the organisation, but more to do with the actual words in the >> text. >> > > For me it would be very interesting to have a mechanism, that would > suggest "meaningful tags" by analysing the prose text(s). ... but it needs > to work without a 3rd party server. It should be integrated into TW. ... Is > this possible? > > have fun! > mario > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/90d0b5a8-88b2-4489-ac3d-ed724f08b01c%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/90d0b5a8-88b2-4489-ac3d-ed724f08b01c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CALc1hYfASWDycuVMJCkQ29P_edNtVxa8sBFfZi0kAT-vzW7DsQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
