Alex & PMario External reference could be useful. Personally I prefer associative visual maping like VisualTheasaurus.
BUT before that, surely, we need to get somewhat more COMMUNAL on taggery? I mean, why look up Godzilla when simple sharing could do it? J. On Friday, 14 December 2018 13:39:23 UTC+1, AlexHough wrote: > > Mario, > > " a mechanism, that would suggest "meaningful tags" by analysing the prose > text(s). ... but it needs to work without a 3rd party server. It should be > integrated into TW. ... Is this possible?" > > Wordnet [1] might be useful. > > WordNet® is a large lexical database of English. Nouns, verbs, adjectives > and adverbs are grouped into sets of cognitive synonyms (synsets), each > expressing a distinct concept. Synsets are interlinked by means of > conceptual-semantic and lexical relations. The resulting network of > meaningfully related words and concepts can be navigated with the browser > <http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn>. WordNet is also freely and > publicly available for download <https://wordnet.princeton.edu/download>. > WordNet's structure makes it a useful tool for computational linguistics > and natural language processing. > > > I use it a lot to find words at higher or lower levels of abstraction. It > would be wonderful if, when tagging, words from Wordnet were suggested... > > Alex > > [1] https://wordnet.princeton.edu/ > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 11:58, PMario <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote: >> ... >> >>> What I did was to use Baysian inference to "learn" the relationship >>> between the words in the text and the supplied tags - so for each word in >>> the text I caculate the probability that the tiddler has tag <T> (forall >>> known tags <T>) - then in a second pass I tested the model and predicted >>> the tags from the text. This way I could correctly predict about 80% of the >>> tags from the text alone. The problem was that, to me, many of the tags >>> were meaningless and were used internally to organise the TW. >>> >> >> That's interesting. ... But I think this has some "evolutionary" causes. >> >> I think, it hasn't always been that way. Open classic.tiddlywiki.com ... >> You'll see wikipedia-like tag-box in every tiddler. ... The UI isn't "nice" >> with tags here. .. So a very common question in the group was: "How can I >> switch this box off?" >> >> I personally prefer something that's called "TagglyTagging" (... oh we >> love those weird names :) I think TagglyTagging was introduced with MPTW >> <http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#TagglyTagging> (Monkey Pirate TiddlyWiki). >> For me it was a completely new way to work with tiddler titles. ... TT is a >> set of plugins, that allows you to visualize the relation between different >> tiddlers ... It speeds up navigation between related tiddlers, in a very >> convenient way. ... The "sitemap" view is what we call TOC (Table of >> Content) in TW5 now. >> >> An other plugin, that imo influenced TW5 was: the fET-plugin (for each >> tiddler) <https://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#ForEachTiddlerMacro>. It >> allows *users *to iterate over the tiddler store and *create *many types >> of "*list-views*". This plugin was highly influential for the TW5 >> list-widget, and <<list-links ...>> macros that we have today. >> >> Both of those systems (mis)use tags to create internal structure, because >> the tagging mechanism *was and is* highly optimized. Both in the >> core-software and the UI. The core uses several caches to speed up tag and >> "backlink" lookups. ... We do have fields and filters, that are able to >> create invisible internal structure. But none of those possibilities offer >> the performance and "ease of use" from the UI perspective. >> >> In my opinion the TF*IDF were better than the assigned tags since they >>> had nothing >>> to do with the organisation, but more to do with the actual words in the >>> text. >>> >> >> For me it would be very interesting to have a mechanism, that would >> suggest "meaningful tags" by analysing the prose text(s). ... but it needs >> to work without a 3rd party server. It should be integrated into TW. ... 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