At 10:06 AM -0500 2005-09-11, wayne wrote:

 Actually, network topology is only an approximation of what we want
 because different links have different latencies and jitter.

Topology is the closest approximation of what we want before we start actually measuring latencies and jitter, because topology directly maps to the number of routers, bridges, switches, etc... that are located between you and the machine at the other end, and those are the factors that are most likely to impact things like latency and jitter.

There is no closer approximation than network topology. To get any closer, you have to start actually measuring things. Moreover, NTP doesn't really care about latency and jitter directly. NTP cares more about stratum and root dispersion, and things like latency and jitter only indirectly affect the things that NTP really cares about.


But, in terms of approximations, the best we can do is to start with network topology. From there, we have to start measuring things.

 If you want to put a bunch of work into configuring your NTP clients,
 you should get the complete NTP pool list, send NTP packets to each of
 them and see what kind of latency/jitter you get, and use the best.

Actually, one of the things we're looking at is implementing a "servers" directive. This won't make it into 4.2.1-RELEASE, and probably won't make 4.2.2-RELEASE, but might make 4.2.3-RELEASE.

The idea being that you take all of the IP returned by the DNS for a given label, and sets up unicast client/server relationships with *all* of them. It would then automatically sort through the list and eliminate the lower-quality servers and make use of the higher-quality servers. Of course, ntpd would still only make use of the top ten servers that it knows about, regardless of their source.


That would make it pretty trivial to configure your /etc/ntp.conf -- all you'd need is a single "servers" directive for most clients.

Of course, this is something that can't be controlled by the operators of the pool. That is precisely why I was talking about our need to look at this situation from a wholistic point of view, and not lose sight of the overall picture when we're down contemplating the individual pixels.

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