Point(s) taken. I am neither a linguist nor an English scholar. Heck, not even a scientific writer. And I believe this is my last post of the day--I hope I don't have some burning issue later. Like, which is better Presta or Schrader?
Carol On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jim Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > I think one point of Master's piece is that English DOES allow this > construction, whereas other languages do not. He is a linguist. In one > discussion of animate versus inanimate subjects by another linguist, for > example, the text contained the following "the examples demonstrate... " not > as an example, but as actual text in the discussion. The second point is > that scientific writers make widespread use of this construction, which > perhaps causes difficulty for speakers of other languages. > > So I would say that the requirement for an animate subjects is not even > technically correct for English. > > Take care > Jim > > > James M. Clark > Professor of Psychology > 204-786-9757 > 204-774-4134 Fax > [email protected] > > >>> Carol DeVolder <[email protected]> 20-Mar-11 12:39:33 PM >>> > Just to play devil's advocate, the rioters are demonstrating their > dissatisfaction; the riots are evidence of that dissatisfaction. Examples > are used [by someone] to demonstrate a point. It is the person who is > demonstrating by using an example, it isn't the example that is doing the > demonstrating. I agree that sometimes, although technically correct, a > sentence can seem very awkward. Wasn't that Strunk and White's main > argument--that sometimes you have to overlook the technically correct > option > in favor of what sounds better? > > Carol > > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Jim Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I don't buy the criticism of "the data showed" or various similar > > constructions. Do not the riots in the middle east demonstrate /show / > > reveal something about the level of dissatisfaction there? Do not > examples > > demonstrate / show something? Are riots and examples any different than > > data? > > > > I found some relevant references, including > > > > > > > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VDM-465D8DN-X&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F1991&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1686012685&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=fef6dde5ff1d413b2b3327c3db35677c&searchtype=a > > > > or for same abstract > > > > http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0889-4906(91)90013-M > > > > > > See part III in the following > > > > > > > http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdialnet.unirioja.es%2Fservlet%2Ffichero_articulo%3Fcodigo%3D2526431%26orden%3D0&rct=j&q=verbs%20animate%20and%20inanimate%20subjects%20science%20writing&ei=HTSGTZ_eKfK80QHAy7XDCA&usg=AFQjCNHW_Qq1kIql7hjbiUfrhS853wMTzw > > > > or for same pdf > > > > > > > http://www.google.ca/url?q=http://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/fichero_articulo%3Fcodigo%3D2526431%26orden%3D0&ei=oTSGTbaJBMGR0QGSm_j1Bg&sa=X&oi=unauthorizedredirect&ct=targetlink&ust=1300642729067716&usg=AFQjCNGm8R8uivVZ75FFXKSmbGNXbIosrg > > > > Interesting discussion (full text I think) here by same author as first > > paper, Peter Master: > > > > > > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=NS-ArVhRmJ0C&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=verbs+animate+and+inanimate+subjects+science+writing&source=bl&ots=A8chLjBbgC&sig=nC1zDHdqQCFfE8xZLXS84xM5S8s&hl=en&ei=HTSGTZ_eKfK80QHAy7XDCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=verbs%20animate%20and%20inanimate%20subjects%20science%20writing&f=false > > > > Master makes the point that non-native speakers of English may have > > particular difficulty with the inanimate subject - animate verb > > construction, which is allowed in English (and used widely in scientific > > writing), but may not be allowed in other languages. He presents > empirical > > data on just how common this structure is in scientific writing. > > > > > > Of course, authors trying to persuade editors / reviewers of the error of > > their ways has highly variable outcomes! > > > > Take care > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > James M. Clark > > Professor of Psychology > > 204-786-9757 > > 204-774-4134 Fax > > [email protected] > > > > >>> Carol DeVolder <[email protected]> 20-Mar-11 10:58:00 AM >>> > > Hi Annette, > > How about something like, "analysis of the data revealed..." or > > "examination > > of the data (results, etc.)...?" > > Carol > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Annette Taylor <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > I'm grappling with how to phrase some things in results sections > > > especially. Because data are an inanimate thing they can't really > "show" > > or > > > "demonstrate" anything. Nor can a study do anything such as "observe" > or > > > "define" so what kind of language do you all use. 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