Not great, but a lot higher correlations than we see in most psychological work. The question isn't really whether the GRE's predictive value is good, but whether it is better than whatever else we have (or at least covers a relatively unique -- in the semi-partial sense -- portion of the variance.
Chris ....... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 [email protected] http://www.yorku.ca/christo > On Feb 18, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Stuart McKelvie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tipsters, > > Interesting correlations here for the GRE from an open access institution: > > Huitema, B. E., & Stein, C.R. (1993). Validity of the GRE without restriction > of range. Psychological Reports, 72, 123-127. > > Correlations of the GRE with four graduate school performance criteria were > .60, .70, .55, and .63. (!) > > Sincerely, > > Stuart > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > "Floreat Labore" > > <image007.jpg> > "Recti cultus pectora roborant" > > Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Phone: 819 822 9600 x 2402 > Department of Psychology, Fax: 819 822 9661 > Bishop's University, > 2600 rue College, > Sherbrooke, > Québec J1M 1Z7, > Canada. > > E-mail: [email protected] (or [email protected]) > > Bishop's University Psychology Department Web Page: > http://www.ubishops.ca/ccc/div/soc/psy > > Floreat Labore" > > <image008.jpg> > > <image009.jpg> > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > From: John Kulig [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: February 18, 2014 2:04 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: Re: [tips] SAT and High School grade study > > > > > > > > > > > > "range restriction" is always an issue when debating the efficacy of > admissions tests. I like this SAT/GPA graph from Randolph Macon College. Its > not optimal, as the Y axis has _high school_ GPA, but it's a proxy for > college GPA (according to the NPR story HS GPA is a good predictor of college > GPA) . When you preselect students on either grades or SAT, notice the > correlation between SAT and GPA disappears. But if they let everyone in, the > correlation becomes positive. In general, SAT/GPA correlations are strong at > weaker colleges, and disappear at elite schools as there is very little > variability. > > http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT-ACT-Graphs/ss/randolph-macon-college-admission-gpa-sat-act.htm > > > ========================== > John W. Kulig, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology > Coordinator, Psychology Honors > Plymouth State University > Plymouth NH 03264 > ========================== > > From: "drnanjo" <[email protected]> > To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:00:09 PM > Subject: Re: [tips] SAT and High School grade study > > > > > > > > I suspect that the College Board - and various test prep companies - will > want to shoot holes in this study. From what I heard, the SATs ultimately > don't add very much to this. If you would more clearly explain toi nme the > "big difference" that makes the conclusions unwarranted, I am interested. > > I understand that the SATs provides a modest amount of additional information > about potential for college success. Not enough to warrant the misery that > preparing for this (what amounts to) annual hazing of HSJuniors from what > I've seen. > > I am not sure that we lose a lot of information by not forcing students to > take the exam. I am sure that several corporate entities are sweating the > loss of income. I feel worse for the students who don't really benefit much > from this. I can easily and happily watch this become an optional and then > probably unnecessary part of the college preparatory experience. > > A good high school student (truly good) will be a good college student. > > Nancy Melucci > Long Beach City College > Long Beach CA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Kulig <[email protected]> > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:16 am > Subject: [tips] SAT and High School grade study > > > > > > > > > I usually don't read articles with "executive summaries" but this got air > time on NPR this morning. On the air it sounded like we'd be better off > admitting students based on just HS grades, but that conclusion may not be > warranted, even using their data: > > http://www.nacacnet.org/research/research-data/nacac-research/Documents/DefiningPromise.pdf > > The NPR story is: > > http://www.npr.org/2014/02/18/277059528/college-applicants-sweat-the-sats-perhaps-they-shouldn-t > > I did a quick peek at their figures, and found (Figure 40) that, as I > suspected, the combined use of grades and SAT scores predicted more variance > than either alone. If you had to choose between them, their data shows grades > a better predictor but that should not be surprising. I am wondering if, > these days, there is a tighter relationship between HS grades and SAT scores > (and general cognitive ability) at least in the US, given the tendency to > teach-to-the-standardized test. I will never forget my shock when I saw some > of my children's homework that looked liked IQ items, of absolutely no use to > anyone or anything other than general-cognitive etcetera etcetera etcetera > > ========================== > John W. 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