> > 
> > If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
> > programming language for 4 years now? 
>       Source of this statistic?
> 

I assumed that this was fairly common knowledge.  I remember when it surpassed C++ in 
Febuary of 2000 (I thought at the time in development hours).  Having been a Java 
programmer since 1997, this was a pretty big deal for me.  I even remembered the 
month/year it happened (which made it easire for me to find this report).  So here is 
the original report, a Bloor Research study from Febuary of 2000.  It even has a cute 
little graph that plots the various languages-- 
http://www.bloor-research.com/research_library.php?pid=282

Now that I look back at it I see that this is when the *demand* for java skills 
surpassed that of C++ skills.  It looks like it was just March of last year 
(http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/edge2003/factsheet.pdf) that that Java 
actually surpassed C++ in development hours.  This was of course the eventual outcome 
of it's demand surpassing all other skills.  The data from this Sun press release is 
from the Gartner Group BTW.

Java is King, there are really no "if"s, "and"s or "butt"s about it.

As to your performance issues, I don't have them so I can only sugest that you can 
examine your environement, your compiler options (are you using hotspot?) and your 
getters.  All of my bottlenecks are in my DB calls.  I have done performance analysis 
and never came up in my EL.  As I sugested earlier, maybe you can run hprof and see 
where the bottleneck really is?

Also, I considered myself a fairly hardcode C++ developer (having done it from '95 to 
2002).  If I am ever in a situation where my memory usage is critical, I'm almost 
certainly in C or C++.  If performance is important, I consider C or C++.  But IPC, 
threading, and networking is so phenominally better on Java not to mention the 
benefits of garbage collection and all of it's other features that I am hard pressed 
to leave it or go JNI.  I did need JNI recently for some file system stuff that I 
wanted tweaked (traversing file systems with 100s of thousands of files).

Daniel

> > As was recognized long ago,
> > performance is not everything.  And in fact, means little 
> when you can't
> > get your product out the door because you are still trying 
> to chase down
> > memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.
> 
>       When performance dependes on whether you use <%=hello%> 
> or ${hello}, I'll stick with the first one, considering that 
> it boosts performance up by like 5 times.
> 
> >  As somebody else
> > said, C++ programmers will understand this.
> > 
> > Daniel
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
> > To: Tomcat Users List
> > Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of 
> the worstthingsto
> > ever happen
> > 
> > 
> > le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions а [EMAIL PROTECTED] a йcrit :
> > 
> > > Right now, I would say that java applications (if well 
> written) are at
> > least
> > > half as fast as c applications (also well written).
> > 
> > Which means that when your java app is in competition with 
> a native app,
> > youve lost the market.
> > 
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