Trolling is when you make outrageous postings with the intention of agitating the subscriers. Stuff like saying Java sucks, or C++ is 100% gauruntee that you will have memory leaks, etc, etc. I actually wrote all types of C++ applications. You don't really know what I have written in my career now do you? 600MB of executable? That's a problem. Yes, you are correct, I have never written a C++ application (or system for that matter) with a 600MB executable -- I see something essentially wrong with that.
And C++ executables comapred to C executables... I don't think I really ever saw a difference over 50% in size. Your statements are very black and white and close minded and also attacking to the ideas and methodologies of hundreds of thousands of IT professionals -- hence, "trolling" Anyway, good luck to you -----Original Message----- From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:44 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto ever happen What the hell are you talking about? I am all for java. Java is my #1 language. > Oh for crying out loud Ivan! You challanged my assertion that Java is the > "number one language" asking for the source of the stats and I give them > to you but you just go on whining. Please take your trolling somewhere > else. Get A LIFE. and as to C++? My trolling? I don't even know what that means. And I do have a life. > > > Huge file sizes > I wonder what compiler, and linking options are you using? I do not have > a problem with my executables being "huge" at all. Then again, I don't > use frameworks that are inefficeint hogs. Sounds like the programmer. Huge file sizes was said about C++ COMPARATIVELY to C. Any program in C++ will be much bigger than exactly same program in C. > > > 100% guaranteed memory leaks > Sounds like the programmer. My code doesn't have memory leaks! Then > again, I know how to write disciplined code, something that quick and > dirty programmers can't understand. I also know how to use tools that > track memory leaks. Looks like you've never written a 600MB program. > > > And lo The Heavenly Father doth rest. And whilst He rest, His hand > accidentally brushed the keyboard and somehow keyed in the following code. > > Troller ivan = new Troller(); > ivan.setIrrational(true); > ivan.setOverEmotional(true); > ivan.setLife(null); > ivan.setClue(null); > ivan.setThinkingStyle(Psychosis.THINKING_STYLE_BLACK_AND_WHITE); > > ivan.setDailyRoutine(new Runnable() { > public void run() { > while(ivan.awake()) { > Forum target = web.surfForUnsuspectingVictims(); > if(target != null) { > Iterator i = target.getMessages(); > while(i.hasNext()) { > ForumPosting intelligentPosting = (Posting) i.next(); > intelligentPosting.read(); > ForumPostingReplyFactory replyFactory = > ivan.getPsychoticReponseGenerator(); > Reply reply = replyFactory.createResponse(); > while(reply.makesSense()) { > reply.rant(); > reply.bitch(); > reply.whine(); > reply.moan(); > reply.saySomethingIrrational(); > } > target.post(reply); > ivan.setIQ(ivan.getIQ() - 1); > } > } > } > ivan.slapSelf(Slap.HARD); > throw new IdiotTrollerException(); > } > }); > > ivan.run(); > Hahahah :) That was a good one. You telling me to get a life and you have time to do that? BTW > Iterator i = target.getMessages(); > while(i.hasNext()) { I really like how 1.5 has the for( Element e : collection ) loop. Don't you agree? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:29 PM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto > ever happen > > > Ok let's settle this argument simple. > > Tonight, I'll ask my Christian Science friend to talk to Jesus, and ask > him the following: > > "Jesus, if EL really DOES decrease performance significantly, and should > not be used at all, please give me absolutely NO sign. However, if EL is > a great thing and should be used by everyone, please give me a sign". > > I'll report to you in the morning and let you know what was God's opinion > on that. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:02 PM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the > worstthingsto > > ever happen > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one > > > > programming language for 4 years now? > > > Source of this statistic? > > > > > > > I assumed that this was fairly common knowledge. I remember when it > > surpassed C++ in Febuary of 2000 (I thought at the time in development > > hours). Having been a Java programmer since 1997, this was a pretty big > > deal for me. I even remembered the month/year it happened (which made > it > > easire for me to find this report). So here is the original report, a > > Bloor Research study from Febuary of 2000. It even has a cute little > > graph that plots the various languages-- http://www.bloor- > > research.com/research_library.php?pid=282 > > > > Now that I look back at it I see that this is when the *demand* for java > > skills surpassed that of C++ skills. It looks like it was just March of > > last year > > (http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/edge2003/factsheet.pdf) > that > > that Java actually surpassed C++ in development hours. This was of > course > > the eventual outcome of it's demand surpassing all other skills. The > data > > from this Sun press release is from the Gartner Group BTW. > > > > Java is King, there are really no "if"s, "and"s or "butt"s about it. > > > > As to your performance issues, I don't have them so I can only sugest > that > > you can examine your environement, your compiler options (are you using > > hotspot?) and your getters. All of my bottlenecks are in my DB calls. > I > > have done performance analysis and never came up in my EL. As I > sugested > > earlier, maybe you can run hprof and see where the bottleneck really is? > > > > Also, I considered myself a fairly hardcode C++ developer (having done > it > > from '95 to 2002). If I am ever in a situation where my memory usage is > > critical, I'm almost certainly in C or C++. If performance is > important, > > I consider C or C++. But IPC, threading, and networking is so > > phenominally better on Java not to mention the benefits of garbage > > collection and all of it's other features that I am hard pressed to > leave > > it or go JNI. I did need JNI recently for some file system stuff that I > > wanted tweaked (traversing file systems with 100s of thousands of > files). > > > > Daniel > > > > > > As was recognized long ago, > > > > performance is not everything. And in fact, means little > > > when you can't > > > > get your product out the door because you are still trying > > > to chase down > > > > memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers. > > > > > > When performance dependes on whether you use <%=hello%> > > > or ${hello}, I'll stick with the first one, considering that > > > it boosts performance up by like 5 times. > > > > > > > As somebody else > > > > said, C++ programmers will understand this. > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM > > > > To: Tomcat Users List > > > > Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of > > > the worstthingsto > > > > ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions а [EMAIL PROTECTED] a йcrit : > > > > > > > > > Right now, I would say that java applications (if well > > > written) are at > > > > least > > > > > half as fast as c applications (also well written). > > > > > > > > Which means that when your java app is in competition with > > > a native app, > > > > youve lost the market. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Eric VERGNAUD - JLynx Software > > > > Cutting-edge technologies and > > > > services for software companies > > > > web: http://www.jlynx.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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