What the hell are you talking about? I am all for java. Java is my #1 language.
> Oh for crying out loud Ivan! You challanged my assertion that Java is the
> "number one language" asking for the source of the stats and I give them
> to you but you just go on whining. Please take your trolling somewhere
> else. Get A LIFE. and as to C++?
My trolling? I don't even know what that means. And I do have a life.
>
> > Huge file sizes
> I wonder what compiler, and linking options are you using? I do not have
> a problem with my executables being "huge" at all. Then again, I don't
> use frameworks that are inefficeint hogs. Sounds like the programmer.
Huge file sizes was said about C++ COMPARATIVELY to C. Any program in C++
will be much bigger than exactly same program in C.
>
> > 100% guaranteed memory leaks
> Sounds like the programmer. My code doesn't have memory leaks! Then
> again, I know how to write disciplined code, something that quick and
> dirty programmers can't understand. I also know how to use tools that
> track memory leaks.
Looks like you've never written a 600MB program.
>
>
> And lo The Heavenly Father doth rest. And whilst He rest, His hand
> accidentally brushed the keyboard and somehow keyed in the following code.
>
> Troller ivan = new Troller();
> ivan.setIrrational(true);
> ivan.setOverEmotional(true);
> ivan.setLife(null);
> ivan.setClue(null);
> ivan.setThinkingStyle(Psychosis.THINKING_STYLE_BLACK_AND_WHITE);
>
> ivan.setDailyRoutine(new Runnable() {
> public void run() {
> while(ivan.awake()) {
> Forum target = web.surfForUnsuspectingVictims();
> if(target != null) {
> Iterator i = target.getMessages();
> while(i.hasNext()) {
> ForumPosting intelligentPosting = (Posting) i.next();
> intelligentPosting.read();
> ForumPostingReplyFactory replyFactory =
> ivan.getPsychoticReponseGenerator();
> Reply reply = replyFactory.createResponse();
> while(reply.makesSense()) {
> reply.rant();
> reply.bitch();
> reply.whine();
> reply.moan();
> reply.saySomethingIrrational();
> }
> target.post(reply);
> ivan.setIQ(ivan.getIQ() - 1);
> }
> }
> }
> ivan.slapSelf(Slap.HARD);
> throw new IdiotTrollerException();
> }
> });
>
> ivan.run();
>
Hahahah :) That was a good one. You telling me to get a life and you have
time to do that? BTW
> Iterator i = target.getMessages();
> while(i.hasNext()) {
I really like how 1.5 has the for( Element e : collection ) loop. Don't you agree?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:29 PM
> To: 'Tomcat Users List'
> Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto
> ever happen
>
>
> Ok let's settle this argument simple.
>
> Tonight, I'll ask my Christian Science friend to talk to Jesus, and ask
> him the following:
>
> "Jesus, if EL really DOES decrease performance significantly, and should
> not be used at all, please give me absolutely NO sign. However, if EL is
> a great thing and should be used by everyone, please give me a sign".
>
> I'll report to you in the morning and let you know what was God's opinion
> on that.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:02 PM
> > To: Tomcat Users List
> > Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
> worstthingsto
> > ever happen
> >
> > > >
> > > > If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
> > > > programming language for 4 years now?
> > > Source of this statistic?
> > >
> >
> > I assumed that this was fairly common knowledge. I remember when it
> > surpassed C++ in Febuary of 2000 (I thought at the time in development
> > hours). Having been a Java programmer since 1997, this was a pretty big
> > deal for me. I even remembered the month/year it happened (which made
> it
> > easire for me to find this report). So here is the original report, a
> > Bloor Research study from Febuary of 2000. It even has a cute little
> > graph that plots the various languages-- http://www.bloor-
> > research.com/research_library.php?pid=282
> >
> > Now that I look back at it I see that this is when the *demand* for java
> > skills surpassed that of C++ skills. It looks like it was just March of
> > last year
> > (http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/edge2003/factsheet.pdf)
> that
> > that Java actually surpassed C++ in development hours. This was of
> course
> > the eventual outcome of it's demand surpassing all other skills. The
> data
> > from this Sun press release is from the Gartner Group BTW.
> >
> > Java is King, there are really no "if"s, "and"s or "butt"s about it.
> >
> > As to your performance issues, I don't have them so I can only sugest
> that
> > you can examine your environement, your compiler options (are you using
> > hotspot?) and your getters. All of my bottlenecks are in my DB calls.
> I
> > have done performance analysis and never came up in my EL. As I
> sugested
> > earlier, maybe you can run hprof and see where the bottleneck really is?
> >
> > Also, I considered myself a fairly hardcode C++ developer (having done
> it
> > from '95 to 2002). If I am ever in a situation where my memory usage is
> > critical, I'm almost certainly in C or C++. If performance is
> important,
> > I consider C or C++. But IPC, threading, and networking is so
> > phenominally better on Java not to mention the benefits of garbage
> > collection and all of it's other features that I am hard pressed to
> leave
> > it or go JNI. I did need JNI recently for some file system stuff that I
> > wanted tweaked (traversing file systems with 100s of thousands of
> files).
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > > > As was recognized long ago,
> > > > performance is not everything. And in fact, means little
> > > when you can't
> > > > get your product out the door because you are still trying
> > > to chase down
> > > > memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.
> > >
> > > When performance dependes on whether you use <%=hello%>
> > > or ${hello}, I'll stick with the first one, considering that
> > > it boosts performance up by like 5 times.
> > >
> > > > As somebody else
> > > > said, C++ programmers will understand this.
> > > >
> > > > Daniel
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
> > > > To: Tomcat Users List
> > > > Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of
> > > the worstthingsto
> > > > ever happen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions Ð [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Ðcrit :
> > > >
> > > > > Right now, I would say that java applications (if well
> > > written) are at
> > > > least
> > > > > half as fast as c applications (also well written).
> > > >
> > > > Which means that when your java app is in competition with
> > > a native app,
> > > > youve lost the market.
> > > >
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