On May 31, 3:52 pm, Noah Kantrowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 31, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Mike wrote: > > > > > > > On May 31, 8:17 am, Risto Kankkunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> idea, they are just annoying to get working. Put this installer > >>>> in Trac > >>>> core, and you get the experience I think everyone wants. > > >>> And it is called DLL, pardon, plugin hell ;-( > > >> Like with Firefox and its extenstions? I thought extensions have been > >> its path to success: the core product cannot (and should not) please > >> everyone and with extensions everyone can still make the product do > >> what they need. > > > You are missing the point. Nobody argues against extemtions per se > > and > > nobody wants for Trac to please all. > > Trac and FireFox are very different animals: > > - FireFox is an end user application. You can do whatever you please > > with > > it - it is on yours computer. Besides that FireFox as a web browser is > > feature > > complete - you need no extensions to browse the web and it has a lot > > of > > additional convenience features for that out of the box. Imagine if > > such a > > not exactly needed for web browsing features as bookmarks, history, > > navigation panel etc. would be needed to be downloaded and installed > > separately :). > > Would you prefer such a browser to the current FireFox? > > - Trac is a server side application for a project development and > > management. > > Of course if you use it for your home pet project you can run it on > > you > > development machine and install/remove whatever you want at any time. > > But if you use it for the team of developers and for a big enough > > project or > > even several projects then it is completely different. In this case > > you better put > > Trac on a server machine, pay attention to security, backups etc. In > > this case > > Trac is not a toy for a computer kiddy anymore, it should obey to the > > common > > rules for a server side application. Try to talk to you IT people and > > see whould > > they allow you to install/update plugins with a point and click > > through the web > > The simple plugin installer would also be integrated with trac-admin > (trac-admin ... install tags, perhaps). I just like GUIs so thats what > I have written first. > Sorry, I don't see how is that fits in the above discussion. > > we should go ahead and do that. These cases have been pretty rare so > far though. The fact that you included wiki tags as a core feature > illustrates this pretty well, I'm sure there are plenty of people on > this list that don't care at all about tags. > Sorry again, I can't see how this fact illustrates that.
> > >> The problem I've had with Trac plugins so far is that there are a > >> couple of interesting plugins that state their 0.10 version is broken > >> (by design) and will not fixed until version 0.11, but version 0.11 > > > I like this term - "broken by design" - that is a real pearl! > > The only plugin I know of that fits this is MasterTickets, and yes the > design I picked for the 0.10 version turned out poorly. To say I > purposefully picked a bad design is quite silly. I did a massive > rework when I ported to 0.11 and it works much better. This is how > development works, you try to improve things. > It was not related to any particular plugin, sorry if it sounded tat way. Just the term itself is nice. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Trac Development" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-dev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
