> What about the subliminal message "our computers and networks are owned, securing our communications is moot, give up"?

Nobody said "give up". You should really stop putting words into other people's mouths. I have asked you to stop it so many times, yet you keep doing it.

> If I was a conspiracy theorist (I am not), I would suggest heyjoe and you infiltrated the Trisquel community to demotivate those who want to secure their communications.

heyjoe is the person who showed something practical in investigating and improving security of web browsers. What did you do about it? You criticized him from the very beginning, posted various inflammatory, confusing and time wasting off-topic remarks and at the end you started licensing your forum posts. Do you really think what you did helps anyone to improve the security of their communication? Or you are just throwing mud at others, so that your perfect knowledge can shine? Would you rather prefer the info about browsers not to have been shared, so everyone can live an illusory life in the fancy words of ideologies and motivational talkers?

heyjoe also opened a thread to discuss ideas about a new network model. What did you do? - You posted in it just to explain that because it doesn't fit in what you know, it is inefficient, anti-ecological and what not, when the whole idea was to discuss a possible new approach, share other ideas etc. You simply dump everything which doesn't conform to what you stick to. Yet you say that others are demotivators. Great, hats off. Maybe we should all sit together in a church and sing motivational Gnulellujahs which would be the ultimate security of communication?

heyjoe is also the person who invited everyone into an in depth discussion about what we could actually do to optimize security of current systems and to create new truly secure systems, considering (and _not_ neglecting) the actual issues which currently exist. How many people joined and showed real interest? Just look at your only post in that thread and how "motivating" it is.

As Abdullah explained - creating a false sense of security and safety is much more dangerous than facing actual insecurity.

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