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ran out or time break ?
big difference between the two
Yes, Slim , there is a difference indeed.
Thanks for the clarification and correction.
RI
what can you create that is important ? put it around you 360
i dont use the question , i just create it and put it around me 360
i can feel it if i need it running and if it doesn't need running it
wont run when i try to run it
when i do run it , i run it until i get board
i run it at the beginning during and after a session
my sessions dont last long and neither does RI. about 15 minutes of
TB to five minutes of RI. then im done for the day .
some times i'll be blown away for days before i have another session .
as for the riddle or mystery ? you need to run RI. THAT i know for
sure .
TROM is like a piano in some ways
some will catch on and do well , others will do ok , some will not
even try it Some will start out ok and with practice do very very
well. Some will blame the piano maker and say he made it all wrong
and thats why they cant play it . Its not their fault its the piano
makers fault.
for me TROM is exactly as Dennis says it is and many more things he
doesn't mention .
There is no reference in the G M about how you are " running " your
incidents I am ugly etc.
That is non sense.
Just because Dennis did not say it, does not mean that I or someone
should not say it.
What is missing are examples of what he means.
If there is charge on being ugly, or being told one is ugly then my
example is certainly relevant.
its not gonna work if you dont use it how he says to use it .
The problem is, the point is, Dennis does not make it clear on how
to use it.
Better people than I and with more experience than I have said
unflattering things about Dennis and the workability of TROM , way
back when Dennis was still alive. So my point of view is nothing new
and nothing unique.
If you use some other way like dianetics or what ever and then say
TROM fails you , its pretty obvious what the problem is and the
solution too.
Slim, get honest, you have several advantages that you take for
granted or ignore in your comments and instructions for others.
and you still speak in cryptic language. ( dramatize Dennis )
Then there is a very significant relationship to how much
scientology you have done. The idea that a person can do it without
knowing scientology is nonsense, plain, simple, pure bull shit.
The most simple and basic fact and proof is that Dennis uses a few
words and principles that are uniquely scientology, never mind his
own cryptic language .
And you certainly know the datum that one single misunderstood will
prevent understanding of the entire subject at hand, and a series of
them and or numerous misunderstoods will make a basket case out of a
person. Such things is one way to make a person stupid.
Dennis was very good at deliberately and cleverly lacing TROM with
data to deliberately cause misunderstoods. His misunderstoods are
no ordinary garden variety misunderstoods.
Then how much time did you spend figuring TROM out ?
First you tried it out after you got out of scientology many years
ago and could not get it to work.
Then you spent over ten years listening to it 40 times on tape and
hours and hours over years and years untangling it, deciphering it
and figuring it out. Now, a few months ago, you got into it and it
came easy.
That proves you had a good number of misunderstoods that took many
years to untangle.
Few people have/had that kind of unique circumstances to figure it out.
The only people who have that kind of time now are the ones on
pension.
No one wants to wait until they get on pension to do this.
an intelligent ambitious young person wants to get their mind
cleared relatively quickly and get on with life with a good mind.
So see the big picture, Slim.
See it also from other's point of view or circumstances.
Therapy for clearing and mind improvement / elimination should not
take a life time nor should it be cryptic , nor should it be a
trap, like scientology was made to be.
So see the problems from others point of view and explain TROM in
ways, in clear language on a suitable gradient, that others
( everyone ) can easily understand.
David
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
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I think I cogged on what repair of importances means or should
mean. What RI means is one of the mysteries of TROM for many.
RI s is one of the first brain fucks.
This is what I think it means.
Suppose you ran out incidents that had the condition or postulate
( program ) of:
I am stupid.
The RI would be ( might be ) ( the ideal replacement postulate ) :
I am very mentally sharp and intelligent.
If you ran out :
I am ugly.
The RI would be:
I am beautiful.
If you ran out:
I am dishonest.
The RI would be:
I always operate with full honesty and integrity.
( If necessary define honesty and integrity for yourself by looking
it up in a dictionary. )
Etc. etc. .
Doing RI s means mentally placing these new desired postulates in
a spherical space around you.
To those who claim to understand TROM , am I correct?
If not , please correct me.
Now on to resolving the next riddle or mystery.
This one has taken me over a year to resolve.
TROM , in the way it is written , is not a bona fide clearing process.
Bona fide means without fraud or deceit.
It may contain a good clearing process, but is not a good clearing
process, it is cleverly hidden in amongst various lies and traps
and mysteries.
Those who say it is clearly written are intellectually and
perceptually dishonest.
Something clearly written means that the subject can be clearly
understood in at most three or four reads.
The energy that even comes off the TROM words tends to fog and numb
the mind.
In contrast to the Direct Perception Method process which gives a
clear and refreshing feeling like a breath of fresh air.
David
On 1-Aug-10, at 5:05 PM, Martin Foster wrote:
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Some more info Mike:
PROFESSIONAL AUDITOR'S BULLETIN
>From L. RON HUBBARD
Via Hubbard Communications Office
163 Holland Park Avenue, London W.11
18 February 1955
STRAIGHT WIRE
excerpt:
The entire text of Self Analysis, in its original edition now
available
from the Foundation in Phoenix, is devoted to rehashing the
preclear's past to
show him that it is not quite as dangerous as it is made out to be,
and that
it won't bite him if he remembers some things about it.
From this form of Straight Wire we go into a more complicated
form as
given in Self Analysis in Scientology, a converted edition of the
original
Self Analysis. The edition is converted, by the way, simply by
substituting
everywhere in its text for the word "recall" the word "mock up."
Simply by
substituting "mock up" in the directions at the beginning of each
list, one
has a modern Self Analysis.
At 1/08/2010 Sunday 22:02, [email protected] wrote:
Hi maybe you guys can shed a little light on this subject. The
self Analysis book as well as many other self help books I have
seen have long lists that start as "Recall as time when" and then
proceeds to state a happy or pleasurable event in your past. What
is the actual effect of sitting a doing these lists? Just to get
you to remember happy times or does it have a more permanent
(rewiring) of the brain which actually makes one happier by
constantly remembering happy moments for the past? Thanks you
for your insights!!
The book, I think, gives the answer to your question - but here's
mine anyway.
The more theta you have - the easier you are able to confront and
handle the reactive mind. Running pleasure moments increases your
theta level and therefore increases ability and confront.
You could also try "mocking up" pleasure moments. I read somewhere
that the first SA book used "mock up" processing and that due to
copyright issues the "recall" SA was then published.
Mocking up aligns with TROM'S Repair of Importances. (RI) - My
personal view is that RI is more effective if "Importances" are
used in the process and not just objects.
Martin
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