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Carlos You appear to have given the dynamics great thought. Can you answer this?
The Buddhists have several approaches to salvation, one of which is to have faith and behave as a good person so you will arrive at nirvana in the end. Another is similar to TROM in recognizing your attachments to this physical reality and let got of them. (I know that is not exactly correct) For these both to be valid I must not be me the personality I have built up this lifetime. To completely let go of all attachments I will have to let my personality go also. Do I then end up stably as a single viewpoint? Or do loss that separateness from the single beingness who is this and all other universes and recognize that I am he, I am all viewpoints. I know that single beingness is very difficult to perceive from a viewpoint plus body existence but would like to hear your thoughts. Sincerely, Pete -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Carlos Dos Santos Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 12:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization Slim wrote: > It's difficult to understand, i know. Its the fifth dimension . How can one be in the past and the present at the same time ? By being in the in the past and present at the same time . Its a very large existence as a spiritual being . The firth dimension is walking around "out of body " but with a case. The fifth is similar in many ways, but no case and full native state abilities restored. > Thank you for your response. To me personally, it's not difficult to understand at all. It's actually very easy. I can be in the past, present time and the future at the same time. > No case doesn't mean what you think in my opinion. It means total freedom of choice , native state as a spiritual being who has the choice that you have defined as no case. I can have all the things you have described right now but i still have a case. > > Native state is total ability to do anything create anything and i mean anything , not just be nothing like you have described . That's easy . What about the positive side of the goals ? have identity , have viewpoint, have sensations, have considerations , have charge. What you have described is a dead being and are non life goals. There is no higher ability , no freer state of being than total freedom of choice . To have or not have. > This is a matter of viewpoint. I like your viewpoint and I like what your posting here, but it still your viewpoint. You are right from your point of view, just as I am right from my point of view. There is no absolute rightness or absolute wrongness, just subjective rightness and subjective wrongness. This too is a matter of viewpoint. I will clarify my definition of no-case a little bit more. When I look at Scientologist (especially in the CoS), I see beings who want to be some kind of super OT spiritual being. A spiritual being is somethingness and it belongs to the 7th dynamic. Even if scientologists become a super-powered-somethingness, it's still a somethingness. These scientologist have a false end goal, namely the goal to become something. I would not want you are anyone else to fall for this trap. You are not something. You are the infinite nothingness which is Dynamic 8. Wanting to be something is the reason for the downfall of your abilities. Remember in the beginning there was the decision to be. To be what exactly? To be something. Being something is way better than being nothing. Can you imagine being nothing. Most beings can not, because it's too heavily charged. Try imagining being nothing and experiencing infinite loneliness. I can tell you from my own experience that this charge is almost unbearable. All creations are the result of the almost infinite resistance to being NOTHING. Infinite nothingness (dynamic 8) is not consciousness. Infinite nothingness is POTENTIAL consciousness. It has the ability to wake up. Once the infinite nothingness wakes up it has transformed itself from potential consciouness to consciousness. Thus a viewpoint is born. This viewpoint is not dynamic 8, it's dynamic 7 and it's a limitation from what you really are. As long as your talking about a viewpoint you are at least talking about dynamic 7. From my mocked-up point of view, you will eventually have to fully as-is your current viewpoint, drop it entirely, be out of all games and than come back with full power. You can than pretend to be a 7th dynamic creation while fully knowing that you are the 8th dynamic which is infinite nothingness. Why would one want to limit oneself to just one viewpoint, if you can be all viewpoints in existence. You are everything and nothing at the same time. I really do understand your viewpoint, because I am you. I have tried to reach the ulitimate goal, while holding on to my own viewpoint and it just did not happen, beacuase it can not happen. As long as you hold on to a viewpoint, you will be limited to the limitations of that viewpoint. This situation will only be handled in the final instance when one is willing to drop one's own viepoint and become the infinite nothingness which is what you really are. Happy tromming, Carlos P.s.: By the way YOU are not in the body. The body is in YOU. Only a 7th dynamic viewpoint, with the awareness of being a spiritual being, considers itself to be IN the body.
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