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On Aug 5, 2010, at 8:32 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ >> >> When we know a past scene, we are there in the past scene and we >> bring it to the present time where we time break it . As a spiritual >> being , when i go , literally go to the space and time i had native >> state , i will have native state ability. Then it's a matter of >> being " there " and returning to present time at the same time . It >> time breaks and i will have my full native state ability in present >> time again . A being can only be in one place at a time. When you >> view a past scene you are viewing the past , you are there and you >> have the ability you had while you are there. When you view then and >> now simultaneously, you time break it , you regain that ability in >> the now. >> >> When you view the center of the onion or native state and completely >> leave present time to be there, you will have your native state >> ability restored at the time you had it , but when you come back to >> present time without time breaking it you will lose the ability . > > > THAT IS CALLED KEY OUT, OR RELEASE. > > NOT? > > > DAVID > > > >> If you time break the center of the onion from the center of the >> onion, while in present time you are in fact both places at the same >> time and the same locations in space and time . Its a big chunk of >> mass to time break all at once . After using level five for a while >> you'll be chiseling away at the chuck of mass between native state >> and present time . One day you'll do it and time break the whole >> onion and restore full ability and native state. I'm getting close. >> >> It's, see the trap, and then, walk out of the trap. Level five is >> complete with full ability restored . >> It can be considered clearly when one gets into level five a ways >> and gets closer to the top of level five . It may seem contradicting >> to you but it doesn't to me . >> >> I'm just writing all of this for my own benefit but others may find >> it interesting as well. >> >> Its sort of a blog i guess. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Carlos Dos Santos >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Slim wrote: >>>> There're different degrees of out of body . There's out of >>>> universe too . Out of every thing . >>>> >>> >>> I agree. As long as one occupies a viewpoint, one can be exterior >>> to practically anything. >>> >>>> When you get to the center of the onion where you have no case, >>>> you'll also have full ability as long as you are there and should >>>> use it to resolve ( time break ) conflicting goals from the center >>>> outwards. You'll be in present time at the center of the onion and >>>> the outer edge of the onion. >>>> >>> >>> No invalidation intended here, but from my mocked-up point of view >>> the above statement is a contradicting one. If "you get to the >>> center of the onion where you have no case" it would mean that you >>> have no case. If you have no case, than there is nothing to resolve >>> and nothing to time break. >>> >>> No case means no emotions, no thoughts, no sensations, no >>> considerations, no charge, no timetrack, no identity and no >>> viewpoint. >>> >>> Without a viewpoint, there is no point from which one can time >>> break anything. >>> >>> sincerely, >>> >>> Carlos >>> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:01 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization >>>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> There're different degrees of out of body . There's out of >>>> universe too . Out of every thing . >>>> >>>> Seems like the further back on the track ( deeper in the onion ) >>>> the less conflicting goals there are . Once one gets to the center >>>> of the onion in present time ? Thats it . From there one can go >>>> forward on the track while in pt and time break the future which >>>> is really the past so to speak, and resolve all conflicting goals >>>> gaining power of postulate and ability as you go forward from the >>>> inside out . >>>> >>>> Going from present time backwards is good and that's really the >>>> only way you can get to the beginning with TROM. You will >>>> eventually get to the point of when you had no case in present >>>> time but get your case back, as there are still conflicting goals, >>>> as you move back to the outer onion. Then its just a matter of >>>> going back to the center of the onion each session and with a few >>>> more sessions, resolve your whole case with full , native state >>>> ability permanently L ,,,;emmemvh. restored for a while as nothing >>>> is permanent with, total freedom of choice. >>>> >>>> When you get to the center of the onion where you have no case, >>>> you'll also have full ability as long as you are there and should >>>> use it to resolve ( time break ) conflicting goals from the center >>>> outwards. You'll be in present time at the center of the onion and >>>> the outer edge of the onion. >>>> >>>> Most of the ability loss in terms of conflicting goals, seems to >>>> be at the outer part of the onion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:24 AM, Carlos Dos Santos <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> Hi Xriz, >>>>> >>>>> Once you've done level 1,2,3 and 4 correctly and get to level 5, >>>>> you will be able to make exteriorisation a stable ability. >>>>> >>>>> At level 5 you will AS-IS every postulate and counter-postulate >>>>> with regards to exteriorisation. >>>>> >>>>> Just be persistent and have fun while tromming, >>>>> >>>>> Carlos >>>>> >>>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:47:30 +0200 >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization >>>>>> >>>>>> ************* >>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>> ************ >>>>>> I experience it with the same problems as you do. >>>>>> I guess it has something to do with the actual creation of >>>>>> space. Not so >>>>>> much the awareness of existing MEST space, but the current >>>>>> creation of own >>>>>> space. >>>>>> I also welcome any suggestions how to help exteriorisation >>>>>> become a stable >>>>>> ability. >>>>>> >>>>>> xriz >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 04.08.2010, 00:21 Uhr, schrieb Pete McLaughlin <[email protected] >>>>>>> : >>>>>> >>>>>>> After reading Dennis’s experiences on being exteriorize >>>>>>> d by LRH >>>>>>> auditing >>>>>>> several years ago I began trying to go exterior myself. >>>>>>> I found that I am holding so tight to my body that I am not >>>>>>> willing >>>>>>> while awake to move my point of view outside my body. >>>>>>> My early ideas on exteriorizing were that it must mean that >>>>>>> when I am >>>>>>> obsessing over some upset in my life and tossing back and forth >>>>>>> what had >>>>>>> happened and what I should have done I was interiorized as in >>>>>>> looking >>>>>>> in. When I walk in the park and smell the roses I am >>>>>>> exteriorized as I >>>>>>> am looking out. I now think this is incorrect. >>>>>>> When I first started running level 4 I hit on a classic >>>>>>> Dianetic engram >>>>>>> from my childhood that contained my getting hit in the head >>>>>>> which hurt >>>>>>> like hell while a neighbor girl said “Leave me Alone”. >>>>>>> As I time broke this incident I felt terrific enthusiasm and >>>>>>> went >>>>>>> exterior in that incident and in my whole childhood. I can >>>>>>> still go to >>>>>>> the homes and streets I lived and played in at that time and >>>>>>> see them >>>>>>> vividly as recalls. The area had been blocked by the engram so >>>>>>> this was >>>>>>> an ability regained. >>>>>>> While this win was nice it did not give me the ability to go >>>>>>> exterior >>>>>>> now. For instance, if I want to look at the back door of my >>>>>>> home I can >>>>>>> call up a picture of it that feels like a picture of the last >>>>>>> time I >>>>>>> looked at the door but not look at it in the here and now. >>>>>>> A few days ago I was waking up in the morning while having a >>>>>>> vivid dream >>>>>>> in full Technicolor. I watched this scenery fade from vivid >>>>>>> while I was >>>>>>> asleep and not noticing my body to a recall while I began to >>>>>>> notice my >>>>>>> body. >>>>>>> Apparently I have a compulsion to use my bodies eyes to see. The >>>>>>> compulsion is so strong that recalls or direct thetan viewing >>>>>>> of the >>>>>>> world fades out when I realize I have a body and I try to do >>>>>>> all my >>>>>>> seeing with the bodies eyes. >>>>>>> Have any of you noticed this mechanism? >>>>>>> Keep on TROMing >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: >>>>>> http://www.opera.com/mail >>>>>> / >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Trom mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Trom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
