************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ > > When we know a past scene, we are there in the past scene and we > bring it to the present time where we time break it . As a spiritual > being , when i go , literally go to the space and time i had native > state , i will have native state ability. Then it's a matter of > being " there " and returning to present time at the same time . It > time breaks and i will have my full native state ability in present > time again . A being can only be in one place at a time. When you > view a past scene you are viewing the past , you are there and you > have the ability you had while you are there. When you view then and > now simultaneously, you time break it , you regain that ability in > the now. > > When you view the center of the onion or native state and completely > leave present time to be there, you will have your native state > ability restored at the time you had it , but when you come back to > present time without time breaking it you will lose the ability .
THAT IS CALLED KEY OUT, OR RELEASE. NOT? DAVID > If you time break the center of the onion from the center of the > onion, while in present time you are in fact both places at the same > time and the same locations in space and time . Its a big chunk of > mass to time break all at once . After using level five for a while > you'll be chiseling away at the chuck of mass between native state > and present time . One day you'll do it and time break the whole > onion and restore full ability and native state. I'm getting close. > > It's, see the trap, and then, walk out of the trap. Level five is > complete with full ability restored . > It can be considered clearly when one gets into level five a ways > and gets closer to the top of level five . It may seem contradicting > to you but it doesn't to me . > > I'm just writing all of this for my own benefit but others may find > it interesting as well. > > Its sort of a blog i guess. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Carlos Dos Santos > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Slim wrote: >>> There're different degrees of out of body . There's out of >>> universe too . Out of every thing . >>> >> >> I agree. As long as one occupies a viewpoint, one can be exterior >> to practically anything. >> >>> When you get to the center of the onion where you have no case, >>> you'll also have full ability as long as you are there and should >>> use it to resolve ( time break ) conflicting goals from the center >>> outwards. You'll be in present time at the center of the onion and >>> the outer edge of the onion. >>> >> >> No invalidation intended here, but from my mocked-up point of view >> the above statement is a contradicting one. If "you get to the >> center of the onion where you have no case" it would mean that you >> have no case. If you have no case, than there is nothing to resolve >> and nothing to time break. >> >> No case means no emotions, no thoughts, no sensations, no >> considerations, no charge, no timetrack, no identity and no >> viewpoint. >> >> Without a viewpoint, there is no point from which one can time >> break anything. >> >> sincerely, >> >> Carlos >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:01 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> There're different degrees of out of body . There's out of >>> universe too . Out of every thing . >>> >>> Seems like the further back on the track ( deeper in the onion ) >>> the less conflicting goals there are . Once one gets to the center >>> of the onion in present time ? Thats it . From there one can go >>> forward on the track while in pt and time break the future which >>> is really the past so to speak, and resolve all conflicting goals >>> gaining power of postulate and ability as you go forward from the >>> inside out . >>> >>> Going from present time backwards is good and that's really the >>> only way you can get to the beginning with TROM. You will >>> eventually get to the point of when you had no case in present >>> time but get your case back, as there are still conflicting goals, >>> as you move back to the outer onion. Then its just a matter of >>> going back to the center of the onion each session and with a few >>> more sessions, resolve your whole case with full , native state >>> ability permanently L ,,,;emmemvh. restored for a while as nothing >>> is permanent with, total freedom of choice. >>> >>> When you get to the center of the onion where you have no case, >>> you'll also have full ability as long as you are there and should >>> use it to resolve ( time break ) conflicting goals from the center >>> outwards. You'll be in present time at the center of the onion and >>> the outer edge of the onion. >>> >>> Most of the ability loss in terms of conflicting goals, seems to >>> be at the outer part of the onion. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:24 AM, Carlos Dos Santos <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> Hi Xriz, >>>> >>>> Once you've done level 1,2,3 and 4 correctly and get to level 5, >>>> you will be able to make exteriorisation a stable ability. >>>> >>>> At level 5 you will AS-IS every postulate and counter-postulate >>>> with regards to exteriorisation. >>>> >>>> Just be persistent and have fun while tromming, >>>> >>>> Carlos >>>> >>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:47:30 +0200 >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization >>>>> >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> I experience it with the same problems as you do. >>>>> I guess it has something to do with the actual creation of >>>>> space. Not so >>>>> much the awareness of existing MEST space, but the current >>>>> creation of own >>>>> space. >>>>> I also welcome any suggestions how to help exteriorisation >>>>> become a stable >>>>> ability. >>>>> >>>>> xriz >>>>> >>>>> Am 04.08.2010, 00:21 Uhr, schrieb Pete McLaughlin <[email protected] >>>>> >: >>>>> >>>>>> After reading Dennis’s experiences on being exteriorized by LRH >>>>>> auditing >>>>>> several years ago I began trying to go exterior myself. >>>>>> I found that I am holding so tight to my body that I am not >>>>>> willing >>>>>> while awake to move my point of view outside my body. >>>>>> My early ideas on exteriorizing were that it must mean that >>>>>> when I am >>>>>> obsessing over some upset in my life and tossing back and forth >>>>>> what had >>>>>> happened and what I should have done I was interiorized as in >>>>>> looking >>>>>> in. When I walk in the park and smell the roses I am >>>>>> exteriorized as I >>>>>> am looking out. I now think this is incorrect. >>>>>> When I first started running level 4 I hit on a classic >>>>>> Dianetic engram >>>>>> from my childhood that contained my getting hit in the head >>>>>> which hurt >>>>>> like hell while a neighbor girl said “Leave me Alone”. >>>>>> As I time broke this incident I felt terrific enthusiasm and went >>>>>> exterior in that incident and in my whole childhood. I can >>>>>> still go to >>>>>> the homes and streets I lived and played in at that time and >>>>>> see them >>>>>> vividly as recalls. The area had been blocked by the engram so >>>>>> this was >>>>>> an ability regained. >>>>>> While this win was nice it did not give me the ability to go >>>>>> exterior >>>>>> now. For instance, if I want to look at the back door of my >>>>>> home I can >>>>>> call up a picture of it that feels like a picture of the last >>>>>> time I >>>>>> looked at the door but not look at it in the here and now. >>>>>> A few days ago I was waking up in the morning while having a >>>>>> vivid dream >>>>>> in full Technicolor. I watched this scenery fade from vivid >>>>>> while I was >>>>>> asleep and not noticing my body to a recall while I began to >>>>>> notice my >>>>>> body. >>>>>> Apparently I have a compulsion to use my bodies eyes to see. The >>>>>> compulsion is so strong that recalls or direct thetan viewing >>>>>> of the >>>>>> world fades out when I realize I have a body and I try to do >>>>>> all my >>>>>> seeing with the bodies eyes. >>>>>> Have any of you noticed this mechanism? >>>>>> Keep on TROMing >>>>>> Pete >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: >>>>> http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Trom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
