************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ You are where ever you consider yourself to be , in or out of a body or neither in nor out of a body . Total freedom of choice is just that.
Not just the body is in me. Anything that was ever created ever in all the universes is in me. If i considerate that way . Its my choice . On Aug 6, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Carlos Dos Santos <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Slim wrote: > > It's difficult to understand, i know. Its the fifth dimension . How can one > > be in the past and the present at the same time ? By being in the in the > > past and present at the same time . Its a very large existence as a > > spiritual being . The firth dimension is walking around "out of body " but > > with a case. The fifth is similar in many ways, but no case and full native > > state abilities restored. > > > > Thank you for your response. To me personally, it's not difficult to > understand at all. It's actually very easy. I can be in the past, present > time and the future at the same time. > > > No case doesn't mean what you think in my opinion. It means total freedom > of choice , native state as a spiritual being who has the choice that you > have defined as no case. I can have all the things you have described right > now but i still have a case. > > > > Native state is total ability to do anything create anything and i mean > > anything , not just be nothing like you have described . That's easy . What > > about the positive side of the goals ? have identity , have viewpoint, have > > sensations, have considerations , have charge. What you have described is a > > dead being and are non life goals. There is no higher ability , no freer > > state of being than total freedom of choice . To have or not have. > > > > This is a matter of viewpoint. I like your viewpoint and I like what your > posting here, but it still your viewpoint. You are right from your point of > view, just as I am right from my point of view. There is no absolute > rightness or absolute wrongness, just subjective rightness and subjective > wrongness. This too is a matter of viewpoint. > > I will clarify my definition of no-case a little bit more. When I look at > Scientologist (especially in the CoS), I see beings who want to be some kind > of super OT spiritual being. A spiritual being is somethingness and it > belongs to the 7th dynamic. Even if scientologists become a > super-powered-somethingness, it's still a somethingness. These scientologist > have a false end goal, namely the goal to become something. I would not want > you are anyone else to fall for this trap. > > You are not something. You are the infinite nothingness which is Dynamic 8. > Wanting to be something is the reason for the downfall of your abilities. > Remember in the beginning there was the decision to be. To be what exactly? > To be something. Being something is way better than being nothing. Can you > imagine being nothing. Most beings can not, because it's too heavily charged. > Try imagining being nothing and experiencing infinite loneliness. I can tell > you from my own experience that this charge is almost unbearable. > > All creations are the result of the almost infinite resistance to being > NOTHING. Infinite nothingness (dynamic 8) is not consciousness. > Infinite nothingness is POTENTIAL consciousness. It has the ability to wake > up. Once the infinite nothingness wakes up it has transformed itself from > potential consciouness to consciousness. Thus a viewpoint is born. This > viewpoint is not dynamic 8, it's dynamic 7 and it's a limitation from what > you really are. > > As long as your talking about a viewpoint you are at least talking about > dynamic 7. From my mocked-up point of view, you will eventually have to fully > as-is your current viewpoint, drop it entirely, be out of all games and than > come back with full power. You can than pretend to be a 7th dynamic creation > while fully knowing that you are the 8th dynamic which is infinite > nothingness. > > Why would one want to limit oneself to just one viewpoint, if you can be all > viewpoints in existence. You are everything and nothing at the same time. > > I really do understand your viewpoint, because I am you. I have tried to > reach the ulitimate goal, while holding on to my own viewpoint and it just > did not happen, beacuase it can not happen. As long as you hold on to a > viewpoint, you will be limited to the limitations of that viewpoint. This > situation will only be handled in the final instance when one is willing to > drop one's own viepoint and become the infinite nothingness which is what you > really are. > > Happy tromming, > > Carlos > > P.s.: By the way YOU are not in the body. The body is in YOU. Only a 7th > dynamic viewpoint, with the awareness of being a spiritual being, considers > itself to be IN the body. > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:16:19 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > > > > > It's difficult to understand, i know. Its the fifth dimension . How can one > > be in the past and the present at the same time ? By being in the in the > > past and present at the same time . Its a very large existence as a > > spiritual being . The firth dimension is walking around "out of body " but > > with a case. The fifth is similar in many ways, but no case and full native > > state abilities restored. > > > > Until you get " there " you wont have the ability to mock it up. It's too > > occluded. Once you are even able to mock it up you will almost be done with > > level five. > > > > No case doesn't mean what you think in my opinion. It means total freedom > > of choice , native state as a spiritual being who has the choice that you > > have defined as no case. I can have all the things you have described right > > now but i still have a case. > > > > Native state is total ability to do anything create anything and i mean > > anything , not just be nothing like you have described . That's easy . What > > about the positive side of the goals ? have identity , have viewpoint, have > > sensations, have considerations , have charge. What you have described is a > > dead being and are non life goals. There is no higher ability , no freer > > state of being than total freedom of choice . To have or not have. > > > > When we know a past scene, we are there in the past scene and we bring it > > to the present time where we time break it . As a spiritual being , when i > > go , literally go to the space and time i had native state , i will have > > native state ability. Then it's a matter of being " there " and returning > > to present time at the same time . It time breaks and i will have my full > > native state ability in present time again . A being can only be in one > > place at a time. When you view a past scene you are viewing the past , you > > are there and you have the ability you had while you are there. When you > > view then and now simultaneously, you time break it , you regain that > > ability in the now. > > > > When you view the center of the onion or native state and completely leave > > present time to be there, you will have your native state ability restored > > at the time you had it , but when you come back to present time without > > time breaking it you will lose the ability . If you time break the center > > of the onion from the center of the onion, while in present time you are in > > fact both places at the same time and the same locations in space and time > > . Its a big chunk of mass to time break all at once . After using level > > five for a while you'll be chiseling away at the chuck of mass between > > native state and present time . One day you'll do it and time break the > > whole onion and restore full ability and native state. I'm getting close. > > > > It's, see the trap, and then, walk out of the trap. Level five is complete > > with full ability restored . > > It can be considered clearly when one gets into level five a ways and gets > > closer to the top of level five . It may seem contradicting to you but it > > doesn't to me . > > > > I'm just writing all of this for my own benefit but others may find it > > interesting as well. > > > > Its sort of a blog i guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Carlos Dos Santos <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > ************* > > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > > ************ > > > Slim wrote: > > > > There're different degrees of out of body . There's out of universe too > > > > . Out of every thing . > > > > > > > > > > I agree. As long as one occupies a viewpoint, one can be exterior to > > > practically anything. > > > > > > > When you get to the center of the onion where you have no case, you'll > > > > also have full ability as long as you are there and should use it to > > > > resolve ( time break ) conflicting goals from the center outwards. > > > > You'll be in present time at the center of the onion and the outer edge > > > > of the onion. > > > > > > > > > > No invalidation intended here, but from my mocked-up point of view the > > > above statement is a contradicting one. If "you get to the center of the > > > onion where you have no case" it would mean that you have no case. If you > > > have no case, than there is nothing to resolve and nothing to time break. > > > > > > No case means no emotions, no thoughts, no sensations, no considerations, > > > no charge, no timetrack, no identity and no viewpoint. > > > > > > Without a viewpoint, there is no point from which one can time break > > > anything. > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:01 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > > > ************ > > > > There're different degrees of out of body . There's out of universe too > > > > . Out of every thing . > > > > > > > > Seems like the further back on the track ( deeper in the onion ) the > > > > less conflicting goals there are . Once one gets to the center of the > > > > onion in present time ? Thats it . From there one can go forward on the > > > > track while in pt and time break the future which is really the past so > > > > to speak, and resolve all conflicting goals gaining power of postulate > > > > and ability as you go forward from the inside out . > > > > > > > > Going from present time backwards is good and that's really the only > > > > way you can get to the beginning with TROM. You will eventually get to > > > > the point of when you had no case in present time but get your case > > > > back, as there are still conflicting goals, as you move back to the > > > > outer onion. Then its just a matter of going back to the center of the > > > > onion each session and with a few more sessions, resolve your whole > > > > case with full , native state ability permanently L ,,,;emmemvh. > > > > restored for a while as nothing is permanent with, total freedom of > > > > choice. > > > > > > > > When you get to the center of the onion where you have no case, you'll > > > > also have full ability as long as you are there and should use it to > > > > resolve ( time break ) conflicting goals from the center outwards. > > > > You'll be in present time at the center of the onion and the outer edge > > > > of the onion. > > > > > > > > Most of the ability loss in terms of conflicting goals, seems to be at > > > > the outer part of the onion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:24 AM, Carlos Dos Santos <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > > > > ************ > > > > > Hi Xriz, > > > > > > > > > > Once you've done level 1,2,3 and 4 correctly and get to level 5, you > > > > > will be able to make exteriorisation a stable ability. > > > > > > > > > > At level 5 you will AS-IS every postulate and counter-postulate with > > > > > regards to exteriorisation. > > > > > > > > > > Just be persistent and have fun while tromming, > > > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:47:30 +0200 > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization > > > > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > I experience it with the same problems as you do. > > > > > > I guess it has something to do with the actual creation of space. > > > > > > Not so > > > > > > much the awareness of existing MEST space, but the current creation > > > > > > of own > > > > > > space. > > > > > > I also welcome any suggestions how to help exteriorisation become a > > > > > > stable > > > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > > > > > xriz > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 04.08.2010, 00:21 Uhr, schrieb Pete McLaughlin > > > > > > <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading Dennis’s experiences on being exteriorized by LRH > > > > > > > auditing > > > > > > > several years ago I began trying to go exterior myself. > > > > > > > I found that I am holding so tight to my body that I am not > > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > while awake to move my point of view outside my body. > > > > > > > My early ideas on exteriorizing were that it must mean that when > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > obsessing over some upset in my life and tossing back and forth > > > > > > > what had > > > > > > > happened and what I should have done I was interiorized as in > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > in. When I walk in the park and smell the roses I am exteriorized > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > am looking out. I now think this is incorrect. > > > > > > > When I first started running level 4 I hit on a classic Dianetic > > > > > > > engram > > > > > > > from my childhood that contained my getting hit in the head which > > > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > like hell while a neighbor girl said “Leave me Alone”. > > > > > > > As I time broke this incident I felt terrific enthusiasm and went > > > > > > > exterior in that incident and in my whole childhood. I can still > > > > > > > go to > > > > > > > the homes and streets I lived and played in at that time and see > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > vividly as recalls. The area had been blocked by the engram so > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > an ability regained. > > > > > > > While this win was nice it did not give me the ability to go > > > > > > > exterior > > > > > > > now. For instance, if I want to look at the back door of my home > > > > > > > I can > > > > > > > call up a picture of it that feels like a picture of the last > > > > > > > time I > > > > > > > looked at the door but not look at it in the here and now. > > > > > > > A few days ago I was waking up in the morning while having a > > > > > > > vivid dream > > > > > > > in full Technicolor. I watched this scenery fade from vivid while > > > > > > > I was > > > > > > > asleep and not noticing my body to a recall while I began to > > > > > > > notice my > > > > > > > body. > > > > > > > Apparently I have a compulsion to use my bodies eyes to see. The > > > > > > > compulsion is so strong that recalls or direct thetan viewing of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > world fades out when I realize I have a body and I try to do all > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > seeing with the bodies eyes. > > > > > > > Have any of you noticed this mechanism? > > > > > > > Keep on TROMing > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: > > > > > > http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Trom mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Trom mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Trom mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trom mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
