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It's difficult to understand, i know. Its the fifth dimension . How can one be in the past and the present at the same time ? By being in the in the past and present at the same time . Its a very large existence as a spiritual being . The firth dimension is walking around "out of body " but with a case. The fifth is similar in many ways, but no case and full native state abilities restored. Until you get " there " you wont have the ability to mock it up. It's too occluded. Once you are even able to mock it up you will almost be done with level five. No case doesn't mean what you think in my opinion. It means total freedom of choice , native state as a spiritual being who has the choice that you have defined as no case. I can have all the things you have described right now but i still have a case. Native state is total ability to do anything create anything and i mean anything , not just be nothing like you have described . That's easy . What about the positive side of the goals ? have identity , have viewpoint, have sensations, have considerations , have charge. What you have described is a dead being and are non life goals. There is no higher ability , no freer state of being than total freedom of choice . To have or not have. When we know a past scene, we are there in the past scene and we bring it to the present time where we time break it . As a spiritual being , when i go , literally go to the space and time i had native state , i will have native state ability. Then it's a matter of being " there " and returning to present time at the same time . It time breaks and i will have my full native state ability in present time again . A being can only be in one place at a time. When you view a past scene you are viewing the past , you are there and you have the ability you had while you are there. When you view then and now simultaneously, you time break it , you regain that ability in the now. When you view the center of the onion or native state and completely leave present time to be there, you will have your native state ability restored at the time you had it , but when you come back to present time without time breaking it you will lose the ability . If you time break the center of the onion from the center of the onion, while in present time you are in fact both places at the same time and the same locations in space and time . Its a big chunk of mass to time break all at once . After using level five for a while you'll be chiseling away at the chuck of mass between native state and present time . One day you'll do it and time break the whole onion and restore full ability and native state. I'm getting close. It's, see the trap, and then, walk out of the trap. Level five is complete with full ability restored . It can be considered clearly when one gets into level five a ways and gets closer to the top of level five . It may seem contradicting to you but it doesn't to me . I'm just writing all of this for my own benefit but others may find it interesting as well. Its sort of a blog i guess. On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Carlos Dos Santos <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Slim wrote: > > There're different degrees of out of body . There's out of universe too . > > Out of every thing . > > > > I agree. As long as one occupies a viewpoint, one can be exterior to > practically anything. > > > When you get to the center of the onion where you have no case, you'll also > > have full ability as long as you are there and should use it to resolve ( > > time break ) conflicting goals from the center outwards. You'll be in > > present time at the center of the onion and the outer edge of the onion. > > > > No invalidation intended here, but from my mocked-up point of view the above > statement is a contradicting one. If "you get to the center of the onion > where you have no case" it would mean that you have no case. If you have no > case, than there is nothing to resolve and nothing to time break. > > No case means no emotions, no thoughts, no sensations, no considerations, no > charge, no timetrack, no identity and no viewpoint. > > Without a viewpoint, there is no point from which one can time break anything. > > sincerely, > > Carlos > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:01 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > There're different degrees of out of body . There's out of universe too . > > Out of every thing . > > > > Seems like the further back on the track ( deeper in the onion ) the less > > conflicting goals there are . Once one gets to the center of the onion in > > present time ? Thats it . From there one can go forward on the track while > > in pt and time break the future which is really the past so to speak, and > > resolve all conflicting goals gaining power of postulate and ability as you > > go forward from the inside out . > > > > Going from present time backwards is good and that's really the only way > > you can get to the beginning with TROM. You will eventually get to the > > point of when you had no case in present time but get your case back, as > > there are still conflicting goals, as you move back to the outer onion. > > Then its just a matter of going back to the center of the onion each > > session and with a few more sessions, resolve your whole case with full , > > native state ability permanently L ,,,;emmemvh. restored for a while as > > nothing is permanent with, total freedom of choice. > > > > When you get to the center of the onion where you have no case, you'll also > > have full ability as long as you are there and should use it to resolve ( > > time break ) conflicting goals from the center outwards. You'll be in > > present time at the center of the onion and the outer edge of the onion. > > > > Most of the ability loss in terms of conflicting goals, seems to be at the > > outer part of the onion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:24 AM, Carlos Dos Santos <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > ************* > > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > > ************ > > > Hi Xriz, > > > > > > Once you've done level 1,2,3 and 4 correctly and get to level 5, you will > > > be able to make exteriorisation a stable ability. > > > > > > At level 5 you will AS-IS every postulate and counter-postulate with > > > regards to exteriorisation. > > > > > > Just be persistent and have fun while tromming, > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:47:30 +0200 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] observations on Exteriorization > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > > > ************ > > > > I experience it with the same problems as you do. > > > > I guess it has something to do with the actual creation of space. Not > > > > so > > > > much the awareness of existing MEST space, but the current creation of > > > > own > > > > space. > > > > I also welcome any suggestions how to help exteriorisation become a > > > > stable > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > xriz > > > > > > > > Am 04.08.2010, 00:21 Uhr, schrieb Pete McLaughlin > > > > <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > After reading Dennis’s experiences on being exteriorized by LRH > > > > > auditing > > > > > several years ago I began trying to go exterior myself. > > > > > I found that I am holding so tight to my body that I am not willing > > > > > while awake to move my point of view outside my body. > > > > > My early ideas on exteriorizing were that it must mean that when I am > > > > > obsessing over some upset in my life and tossing back and forth what > > > > > had > > > > > happened and what I should have done I was interiorized as in looking > > > > > in. When I walk in the park and smell the roses I am exteriorized as > > > > > I > > > > > am looking out. I now think this is incorrect. > > > > > When I first started running level 4 I hit on a classic Dianetic > > > > > engram > > > > > from my childhood that contained my getting hit in the head which > > > > > hurt > > > > > like hell while a neighbor girl said “Leave me Alone”. > > > > > As I time broke this incident I felt terrific enthusiasm and went > > > > > exterior in that incident and in my whole childhood. I can still go > > > > > to > > > > > the homes and streets I lived and played in at that time and see them > > > > > vividly as recalls. The area had been blocked by the engram so this > > > > > was > > > > > an ability regained. > > > > > While this win was nice it did not give me the ability to go exterior > > > > > now. For instance, if I want to look at the back door of my home I > > > > > can > > > > > call up a picture of it that feels like a picture of the last time I > > > > > looked at the door but not look at it in the here and now. > > > > > A few days ago I was waking up in the morning while having a vivid > > > > > dream > > > > > in full Technicolor. I watched this scenery fade from vivid while I > > > > > was > > > > > asleep and not noticing my body to a recall while I began to notice > > > > > my > > > > > body. > > > > > Apparently I have a compulsion to use my bodies eyes to see. The > > > > > compulsion is so strong that recalls or direct thetan viewing of the > > > > > world fades out when I realize I have a body and I try to do all my > > > > > seeing with the bodies eyes. > > > > > Have any of you noticed this mechanism? > > > > > Keep on TROMing > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: > > > > http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Trom mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trom mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
