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Paul, very true! Using logic alone, one could say that if the game is "to convince" and if every being has the ability of self-determinism, winning is impossible without the permission of the other being to be convinced. This takes me to the subject of cause; If I have the power to decide not be convinced, I am cause; of course I also have the power to be convinced and if I decide so, I am convinced and cause too. "Must" is force and it is secondary to self-determinism, as I understand it. So the power to control comes from the controlled. Then win is not so much win as it is the decision at the other end of loose-be defeated-be convinced.
"Must" is a pretence, the lie that I am a victim and you are the perpetrator; that I am effect and you are cause. To play this particular game one has to postulate being effect. So I am always cause except when I decide to be effect and then decide to not know this decision. So Paul, I am with you: "you just placed them there to have a game". Why would it work getting out of the trap solo? It works because we got into the trap solo, of course. The way I see it at this point is as if we made the decision to be the ball instead of being one the players; or decide that the players around are the ball. I believe there are many other games that do not involve victims, force, must and all this crap. I believe the only freedom is the freedom of choice and and the basic choice is to play or not the game; any game. Conviction and no conviction is a game, and the decision to play it is a self-determined decision; it has nothing to do with the other. You want to get out of that game? be aware, know that you are playing it. On that respect we need to see the two sides of the game and know that as long as we have a problem with it, we are playing both sides, compulsively, obsessively and unconsciously. Have a nice day Jesus
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