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Hi Pete and All,
I would like to clarify the following. When one is looking at the
terms 'To .....' and 'To Be ..... , those are not the postulates.
Those terms refer to postulates that will make those terms an effect
and are a goal to be achieved.
Also always keep in mind that 'Know' and 'Not Know are the postulates
that you and everyone else are using and apply only to that one
individual that is postulating that and no one else. So for one to
Postulate that another, others will 'Know' or 'Not Know' is wrong, an
oxymoron for one does not make postulates for anyone but his self.
To say that I postulate Fred will know or not know is false, a false
idea. Not a postulate for Fred at all. One can only put out an
effect for Fred to observe. If he doesn't 'Know' or decides to 'Not
Know', one can put out another effect out which involves force such
as a tap on the shoulder, pointing, shouting and various other more
forceful effects. One should always be careful not to harm or kill
Fred in the process or cause Fred to decide to counter-force in some
fashion and react to the force rather than the effect. If that
occurs you don't have the subject of Know going on but of force/
counter-force and the effect of the force/counter-force.
One of the biggest problems going on with this discussion thread is
that communication is not full, adequate and complete. This
discussion is not getting to the correct focal point and therefore
not coming to any kind of a truth and just keeps going around and
around. It is not the languages fault but that of those not
thoroughly applying the language to correctly and fully get an idea
across. Such does not allow a truth to be recognized. It's just
that the truth is not being communicated but something else being
incomplete and easily connoted as something else other than the truth
that is being communicated.
I am not doing this to make Pete wrong in any way. I just want to
clarify and point out that the statement is incomplete and possibly
mis-leading for by not being complete, it opens the door to other,
different ideas than the truth that is being communicated. As an
example, see the below in red and green.
There can be only postulates which create an effect, an effect in the
physical or non-physical universe. A postulate that does something
to another spiritual entity does not exist but may seem to, depending
on what another spiritual entity decides to do (effect postulated in
response to an effect) about the effect being observed.
This is a given, an absolute that one must forever and always be
aware of if one ever wishes to be a Master Game Player or no game
player at all. I hope this helps.
Paul, keep on TROMming
On Aug 15, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi Jesus
The words used to describe the postulates are not the postulates.
The words are only labels that we use so we can communicate about
the postulates.
In reading over your statements I see that you are saying the to be
known and to know postulates are all about creating stuff as in
inanimate objects.
You end with a confusion on whether to know is actually the
creative postulate.
Dennis did spend a lot of time talking about creating effects in
the TROM manual and this is misleading.
The cognition I had that started my effort to change the label for
the basic goals package to "to be known" was that creating effects
is only being done so that I can get others to know that I am here.
This last phrase in green is more appropriately stated by saying ...
'others have been presented an effect which they may observe and from
that observation decide to 'Know' or decide to 'Not Know' that I am
here. There is no other power or ability that I or anyone else
possesses other than to cause an effect which others may or may not
observe. This is true for any and all universes when discussing
individuals, spiritual or physical or whatever.
This is the most important thing to learn from the level 5 of TROM.
I CREATE EFFECTS SO OTHERS WILL NOTICE I AM HERE.
... have the opportunity to notice [via the effect I present that] ...
I want to be known and I want others to know me.
Creating stuff doesn't matter except as it serves this purpose.
So "to be known" means I want to be known by others. This is the
most important goal and why it is the purpose behind all the other
goals a person has.
Does this make it clear why I want to change the label for the
basic goals package to "to be known" and do you now agree the
change would be helpful?
Sincerely
Pete
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