Glenn  to Blainer - You are making fun of the Bible.  David was teaching what the original Greek words mean.  Again, you are knock knock knocking the Bible and this time in it's original Greek form. 
       Yes, David, is a free spirit I would guess.  However, I can tell you this.  It was the Jesus people in CA who started a great revival now known as the charismatic movement.  They are kind of anti-establishment too.  :-)  David is smart enough to see through this man made religion no matter where it comes from.

Blainer)  I think David is a bit of a free spirit, who dislikes the
fetters of an organization.    Do you happen also to own a VW Van with
flowers painted on the sides?    LOL

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:03:22 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Blainer wrote:
> > What difference does it make whether we use "church" of
> > "congregation."  A rose by any other name still smells the
> > same.
>
> The word "church" has connotations todays which were not present
> when Jesus
> and early believers used the word "ekklesia," which is the New
> Testament
> word that is translated as "church."  If the word "ekklesia" had any
> organizational connotation, it was a polititical one, describing the
> political committees that ruled the early Greek city-states.
>
> In Acts 19, the same Greek word is used to describe an assembly of
> idolators
> gathered together for the purpose of stopping the preaching of the
> gospel.
> Hardly a church, wouldn't you say?  Yet, the word "assembly"
> translates just
> fine.
>
> My point is that when the Bible talks about a church of Jesus
> Christ, it
> does not have the ecclesiasitical organization in mind that you and
> Roman
> Catholics seem to have in mind.  When I read the word "church" in
> the Bible,
> I have in mind those who believe in Jesus Christ.  You apparently
> have in
> mind the Mormon organization.  That is why understanding the meaning
> of this
> word "ekklesia" and that an accurate translation of the Bible
> doesn't ever
> need to use the word "church" can go a long way toward helping
> someone like
> you break away from the bonds of your deception.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.


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