Blainer) Thanks DaveM, I guess I was a little teeny bit of a jerk, wasn't I? The ol' Scot's temperment, again. Sorry. But it does sometimes seem to me you start out with some foregone conclusions--sort of the doubting Thomas syndrome, I guess. When I see others who want everything spelled out in black and white, no jumping to intuitive conclusions allowed, it leads me to believe there is something basically defensive about that person--sort of reminds me of the atheists who won't believe anything their 5 senses cannot perceive. What do you think? Do we have a sixth sense, or is spirituality all a figment of our imagination? Would you mind telling me what you consider to be the spiritual side of man, versus the carnal? You do sometimes ridicule me for expressing myself strictly for saying things I know intuitively or spiritually are true, whether I can show some outside support for them or not. Frankly, I sometimes feel like the man in Lehi's dream as I grope through the mists of darkness, holding onto the rod of iron (word of God) seeking the tree of life, and I am being jeered at by those in the great and spacious building, who are dressed in the fineries of the world. LOL
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:40:18 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Blainer wrote: > > Pardon me for the interjection, but DavidM, you can > > be the most defensive person!!! David was sincerely > > trying to help you, and you are obviously trying to > > discredit what he was going to tell you before it > > even gets out of the starting gate. > > Hey, why are you so defensive Blaine? :-) I wasn't being > defensive. As > DaveH knows, it takes time to investigate these things. Sometimes > you just > have to skip certain material. When I saw this authors work > associated with > Science Fiction and UFO's and the like, it makes me wonder if DaveH > actually > studied the material himself. Do you know how many times I've had > Mormons > lead me to information that was pure bunk? I'm just trying to find > out > exactly Dave's familiarity with the material. > > Blaine wrote: > > There is a LOT I could tell you about the legends that > > David is referring to, and he could too, if you would > > let him. > > I am letting him, and you too. Why do you think I'm asking? I'm > interested, but you guys are starting to clam up. Hey, DaveH > offered to > send me a copy of the book. That's great. I will definitely read > it, and > then I will know more about it than he does, right? After all, he > did admit > to not having seriously studied the material himself. > > Blaine wrote: > > The URL he posted for you is only one of many sources > > that discuss this subject. > > You seem to be a little mixed up here. DaveH did not post any URL > that > discussed this subject. He gave me a url to an auction selling the > book, an > auction that had already expired, so I could receive no further > information > from the link other than getting a reference to the author and title > of the > book so that I could look it up myself. Once I had the information > about > the book, I was the one who provided the link with actual > information, not > DaveH. > > Blaine wrote: > > I am sure a little bit of encouragement would bring > > out all of this information. But apparently you are > > afraid of it, or you would do more to see that it gets > > a fair shake. > > What more can I do than ask you guys if you have seriously studied > this > material? What about you Blaine? Have you studied it, or are you > going to > answer the same way you answer about whether Joe Smith was a > polygamist or > that he committed treason or that he was a treasure hunter before he > wrote > the book of Mormon? I still have no idea who you think Joe Smith > was. It's > like you have your own private history of him that you don't want > anyone > else to know about. > Peace be with you. > David Miller. Blainer) Joseph Smith to me is a man who has been subjected to scrutinization so acute that it seems more like he is inside a glss jar, being constantly examamined for any flaw, and when one seems to be found, it is magnified under a magnifying glass so that it seems much larger than it really is. This "seeking occasion" against him would have been enough to drive any normal man to complete distraction. I am surprised he was able to maintain the perspective he did. He suffered a lot of abuse, sometimes physical, sometimes verbal. I do not accept that he brought this upon himself, as has been asserted on TT. I think he suffered at the hands of small and murderous men, who hated him for petty reasons at best, and in many cases without a cause at all--simply to ingratiate themselves to others. I see him as a generous and kind man, who sought to do the will of God and often was called upon to suffer because of it. When he died, he was a martyr, not a pariah as many suggest. I have not seen any conclusive evidence presented thus far on TT that he was otherwise than I have said in this post. His worst enemies were those who were envious of him, as were the enemies of Christ. Of all the enemies of JS, I see David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses, as one of the worst. What he wrote against the prophet has set the standard for many apostates. When David apostasized in 1838, he carried two of his brothers with him, and persuaded several others to join him. David was basically an envious man whose hatred grew along with his envy. "Charity envieth not" is the key that shows David Whitmer's true colors. I see David Whitmer as being similar to Judas Iscariot--a traitor, and perhaps a son of perdition. > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
