This is where the story of my Ouija board friend and the guy I heard on the radio 8 years later gets interesting.
My friend told me that when they were using the Ouija board they would contact spirits. Some they had contacted before, and some were new to them.
The various spirits explained to them that there were levels of heaven ranging something like + 10 to - 10, plus being more holy, minus being more evil. People who die enter somewhere between -3 and 3, and then can move up or down various levels based on their work in the afterlife. Some of the spirits told them that if they progressed above about 3 (or digressed below about -3) that they could no longer contact the earthly realm.
The interesting part is that Geaorge Meek, one of the inventrs of Spiricom, was on a radio program on and he played some recordings of voices received from his Spiricom. He was asked if te spirits had given any indicatio of what the spirit world was like, and he said that the spirits described the spirit world to him, and his description was EXACTLY AS MY FRIEND HAD DESCRIBED IT TO ME 8 YEARS EARLIER!!!
So, my conclusion is that if anything at all was contacted, by either my friend OR George Meek, it was not departed humans, but demons masquerading as such.
Perry
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:17:20 -0500
That's what I assume, but I just wondered if we were all on the same page
about it. What do you all think about the possibility that there are
"levels" (for lack of a better word) in heaven, and in hell? I think it
makes a lot of sense. In the Visions of Sandhu Sundar Singh ("The Prophet of
the Bleeding Feet" of India-a Christian evangelist who had lots of visions
of heaven) he describes these levels, and says that when people die they are
drawn to whatever level suits them. For example the really evil would
plunge themselves into the farthest pit of hell because they can't stand the
light of God at all, versus those who just go to the higher levels where it
is not as dark and tormenting of an inferno. He said that he saw people who
knew the Lord well going right to higher planes of heaven, while most were
drawn to lower levels of heaven, where they could be taught correctly by the
angels. Later they would move closer to the higher realms. He said God
does not have to send anyone to hell-everyone who hates him just sends
himself there because he hates the light of holiness. I've always liked that
idea. Izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body
Izzy:
It is generally understood that the first heaven is the atmosphere, the second is outer space, and the third is the abode of God.
Terry
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Where is the 3rd heaven? Where are the 1st and 2nd? (4th, and 5th?)Izzy
-----Original Message----- Paul does not speak as an idle bystander...he was taught by the apostles, probably is the one who was "taken up to the third heaven",
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