Perry,

That is really BIZARRE! It sounds much like what S. S. Singh described LONG
ago--the book "The Visions of SSSingh" was written around the1920's and he
is no longer living.  Sometimes when I hear or read something I just KNOW it
is true, and this was one of those things. Since then I have found other
little booklets written about/by him.

Another interesting thing about this topic: Today I was changing channels on
TV and noticed this Sylvia Brown psychic chic was again on a talk show
(Montel Williams).  I never watch this show (usually HGTV all the way!) She
is obviously from the dark side, with all her "knowledge", but it is
fascinating also.  I decided to listen to her and just see what she says,
because probably anything she says is the opposite of the truth.  She told
someone not to fear Voodoo curses, because although Voodom (or some such
combination of Voodoo and Christianity) is a "beautiful religion", that
"There is no power except for God power."  Well, we know better than
that--there is authentic demonic power! (Until Christ returns anyway.)

Another woman said that when she was a tiny child she tried to crawl over
the side of her crib and a LOUD, very deep voice said, "NO!" Sylvia told her
that that was her "Spirit Guide," and" by the way his name is Gregory."  The
woman then looked absolutely SHOCKED, and said that when she was in high
school she used to play around with the Ouija Board a lot, and "Gregory"
talked to her often.  Sylvia Brown tells everyone that they have one or more
angels, usually several, plus a "spirit guide".  I decided then and there
that these "spirit guides" are probably really Familiar Spirits/demons.  

If so, I wonder if only non-Christians have these familiar spirits, and
maybe that is why it isn't common to hear of "ghosts" of Believers.  What do
you think? (Other than I'm a bit nuts.) Izzy

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Izzy,

   This is where the story of my Ouija board friend and the guy I heard on 
the radio 8 years later gets interesting.

   My friend told me that when they were using the Ouija board they would 
contact spirits. Some they had contacted before, and some were new to them.

   The various spirits explained to them that there were levels of heaven 
ranging something like + 10 to - 10, plus being more holy, minus being more 
evil. People who die enter somewhere between -3 and 3, and then can move up 
or down various levels based on their work in the afterlife. Some of the 
spirits told them that if they progressed above about 3 (or digressed below 
about -3) that they could no longer contact the earthly realm.

   The interesting part is that Geaorge Meek, one of the inventrs of 
Spiricom, was on a radio program on and he played some recordings of voices 
received from his Spiricom. He was asked if te spirits had given any 
indicatio of what the spirit world was like, and he said that the spirits 
described the spirit world to him, and his description was  EXACTLY AS MY 
FRIEND HAD DESCRIBED IT TO ME 8 YEARS EARLIER!!!

   So, my conclusion is that if anything at all was contacted, by either my 
friend OR George Meek, it was not departed humans, but demons masquerading 
as such.

Perry


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>That's what I assume, but I just wondered if we were all on the same page
>about it.  What do you all think about the possibility that there are
>"levels" (for lack of a better word) in heaven, and in hell? I think it
>makes a lot of sense. In the Visions of Sandhu Sundar Singh ("The Prophet 
>of
>the Bleeding Feet" of India-a Christian evangelist who had lots of visions
>of heaven) he describes these levels, and says that when people die they 
>are
>drawn to whatever level suits them.  For example the really evil would
>plunge themselves into the farthest pit of hell because they can't stand 
>the
>light of God at all, versus those who just go to the higher levels where it
>is not as dark and tormenting of an inferno. He said that he saw people who
>knew the Lord well going right to higher planes of heaven, while most were
>drawn to lower levels of heaven, where they could be taught correctly by 
>the
>angels.  Later they would move closer to the higher realms.  He said God
>does not have to send anyone to hell-everyone who hates him just sends
>himself there because he hates the light of holiness. I've always liked 
>that
>idea. Izzy
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>Izzy:
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>It is generally understood that the first heaven is the atmosphere, the
>second is outer space, and the third is the abode of God.
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>Terry
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>Where is the 3rd heaven? Where are the 1st and 2nd? (4th, and 5th?)Izzy
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>Paul does not speak as an idle bystander...he was taught by the apostles,
>probably is the one who was "taken up to the third heaven",
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