Kevin Deegan wrote:
Do you want to know why Prophets do not exist?Luke 16:16 THE PROPHETS WERE UNTIL JOHN~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DAVEH: If you think that means prophets are no longer necessary, I feel you have misunderstood this passage. Christ's Church is built upon a foundation of prophets and apostles. The Bible testifies of two prophets who will come to earth long after 'John'. (Rev 11:3-12)
Hebrews 1:1 Prophets are passed away NOW God speaks through His sonWhat is so hard to understand about this. It is the Plain teaching of scripture.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree and believe Scripture teaches otherwise."Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city." Mt: 23:34
If Paul is not one whom Jesus was referring to in this passage, Kevin, then who do you think the prophets were who Jesus would send that were to be persecuted, even to death, in their proclamation of the gospel?
Kevin, for you to not give credit to Paul for being a rightful prophet who gave his life in behalf of the Lord saddens me. :-(
You say Paul is a prophet,
DAVEH: Yes indeed!
I say Paul was an Apostle not a prophet. Acts 14:14Paul says he is a APOSTLE
DAVEH: ??? I agree, but cannot an apostle be a prophet as well? (In the LDS realm, all apostles are prophets by definition.)
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God1 Co 1:1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of GodPaul an APOSTLE Gal 1:1, Eph 1:1, Col 1:1, 1Tim 1:1, 2 Tim 1:1, Titus 1:1Plain teaching of Paul & Scripture, what is so hard?DAVEH: I guess it what makes it so hard is the extra-Biblical material I read....."....Each of the words designates one who is a spokesman for God.........
The two words roeh and hozeh, perhaps have primary reference to the fact that the person so designated sees the message which God gives him. The seeing is probably to be conceived as having taken place in a vision. At the same time, even these two words serve to designate a man who, having seen the message of God, declares that message. The Biblical emphasis throughout is practical. It is not the dark background of the mode of reception of the prophetic revelation that stands in the fore, but rather the deliverance of the message for God." (Zondervan Pictorial Dictionary p685)
.......So Kevin, does not Paul meet this definition of a prophet? IMHO.....He was a spokesman for God, he had a vision of God, and he delivered God's message. To me, he is a prophet of God. Do you still disagree? And if you do......is your thinking on this commonly accepted in Protestantism, or do you have a much narrower view?Paul said Rom 15:19 I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.There is not more to reveal.
DAVEH: How about the stuff Paul said and wrote that didn't get included in the Bible?
When you get right what God has already revealed maybe He will reveal more to you.DAVEH: I assume you are being sarcastic, Kevin. (I could almost say that you are 'prophetic'.....but I don't want to complicate this discussion!) But, seriously....In my opinion, you are absolutely correct with that comment. That is why I believe more revelation is forthcoming, and why we continue to need prophets....even today. It is as true now as it was in Bible times. I expect you do not believe that what you said should also apply to yourself though.Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Since it is a clear as the NOONDAY Sun that the prophets ended with the announcement of THE Prophet,
DAVEH: It is not clear to me at all. The Bible even predicts there would be prophets in the last days. And after being on TT, I thought modern day prophets were accepted in Protestantism.
who never passed away to need replacing, Jesus Christ.Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until JohnDAVEH: Now I am beginning to see why some Protestants say the law is no longer valid (or perhaps it would be better to say....in effect).In times past - the Prophets; Now he speaks by the Son
DAVEH: Through prophets, just as was Paul when he wrote this. I assume you accept Paul as a prophet, Kevin? Correct me if I am wrong.
Hebrews 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all thingsDAVEH: I will be curious to hear if you think Paul was a prophet.The Law & the Prophets wrote of Jesus John 1:45 Now that He has been here, He is the fulfillment of both Mt 5:17
DAVEH: ??? I don't quite see how you think Jesus' fulfillment of the law and prophets mean that neither now exist, Kevin.
Why do we need A prophet, when we have THE prophet?DAVEH: Couldn't a prophet reveal more of the Lord's secrets? Or......do you think the Lord revealed everything he wants us to know in the Bible?
Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Terry Clifton wrote:How 'bout a simple definition? Receiving revelation is the act of learning something not previously revealed to the recipient. God can reveal through a prophet, or an ass, or by direct communication.
DAVEH: Then it could be assumed that one need not be a prophet to receive revelation. However, would you agree that a prophet would by his nature receive revelations from the Lord? And.....such revelations would be extra Bilbical, if they were revealed to a modern day prophet. May I assume most TTers would agree with this?A prophet carries a message from God to men. It may be a warning, a curse, a verdict, almost anything. We ran out of prophets in the stricktest sense of the word a looong time ago. Staying with the strictest sense of the word, it has been even longer since an ass spoke for God. It is my opinion that the Holy Spirit now has a monopoly on revelation outside of the Holy Bible.
Terry
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