BLAINE SAYS So, by Judy's definition, we Mormons are not Christians because we believe God can speak to us now as he did in olden times--yet by Laura's definition, we would be. Hmmm, interesting!
Redefining everything in terms of LDS doctrine is a way of life.
Elder Dallin H. Oaks Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles discussed Mormon doctrine in the General Conference (May 1998 LDS Ensign Magazine). He asked the audience: "Have you been saved? As Latter-day Saints use the words saved and salvation, there are at least six different meanings. What do we say when someone asks us, "Have you been saved?" This question.. can be puzzling to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because it is not our usual way of speaking. We tend to speak of "saved" or "salvation" as a future event rather than something that has already been realized. If we answer according to what our questioner probably means in asking if we have been "saved", our answer must be "yes". If we answer according to the various meanings we attach to the terms saved or salvation, our answer will be either "yes" or "yes, but with conditions."
"As I understand what is meant by the good Christians who speak in these terms, we are "saved" when we sincerely declare or confess that we have accepted Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior. This meaning relies on words the Apostle Paul taught the Christians of his day: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Romans 10:9,10)
To the Latter-day Saints.. we are assured salvation from the consequences of sin if we are obedient. Every sincere Latter-day Saint is "saved" according to this meaning. We have been converted to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, we have experienced repentance and baptism, and we are renewing our covenants of baptism by partaking of the sacrament."
To the Latter-day Saints.. we are assured salvation from the consequences of sin if we are obedient. Every sincere Latter-day Saint is "saved" according to this meaning. We have been converted to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, we have experienced repentance and baptism, and we are renewing our covenants of baptism by partaking of the sacrament."
So are you PROBABLY SAVED?
The "RESTORED Gospel" is ANOTHER Gospel
You are on the BROAD WAY to DESTRUCTION!
You are under a CURSE!
GAL 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine: What I hear Judy saying is that only those who believe the Bible is the word of God are Christians, and if you believe there are other scriptures, you are not Christian? Is this correct, Judy? Correct me if I am wrong.And what I hear Laura saying is that believing in Jesus Christ and seeking discipleship with him makes one a Christian.So, by Judy's definition, we Mormons are not Christians because we believe God can speak to us now as he did in olden times--yet by Laura's definition, we would be. Hmmm, interesting!----- Original Message -----From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:39 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False TeachersIn a message dated 1/12/2004 12:17:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DaveH writes:
I am just interested in knowing how some
Christians try to narrow their definition of 'Christian' to eliminate
those who have contrasting beliefs.
Blaine writes:
Well said. This is a penetrating question, and I would like a
response to it from other ttr's if possible. I am sincere in asking
this. Judy, DaveM, Laura, Izzy, Kevin, Dean, Ruben, anyone?
I am not trying to put anyone on the spot here, just want to hear
from a few of you on this subject-- I think it goes to the heart
of the matter rather succinctly.
Judy:
No problem Blaine and DaveH. The plumbline or line of
agreement/separation is the Word of God. We either gather around
it in fellowship or it separates us. Walking with God is impossible
when we will not agree with Him.
God Himself says through the prophet Isaiah "To the law and to the
testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there
is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
So this is how we know the called among us. One can outwardly
appear to be a lamb but as soon as they open their mouth their
cover is blown and they are immediately identified as a wolf by
those who have spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to hear.
Grace and Peace,
Judy
----------A Christian is one who has a relationship with Christ. That means following Him, communicating with Him, learning from Him, following His teachings etc - everything we would do with anyone we have the right relationship with. That is kind of a simple definition but it works for me. Laura
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