Re: [TruthTalk] Those KOLOB Christians

[Kevin Deegan]

Journal of Discourses 6:275 Adam and Eve ate gross matter (of this earth)

to produce mortal bodies for their spirit children.
BY "After men have got their exaltations and their crowns-have become

Gods, even the song of God-are made Kings of kings and Lords of lords,

they have the power then of propagating their species in spirit; and that

is the first of their operations with regard to organizing a world. Power

is then given to them to organize the elements, and then commence the

organization of tabernacles. How can they do it? Have they to go to that

earth? Yes, an Adam will have to go there, and he cannot do without Eve;

he must have Eve to commence the work of generation, and they will go into

the garden, and continue to eat and drink of the fruits of the corporeal

world, until this grosser matter is diffused sufficiently through their

celestial bodies to enable them, according to the established laws, to

produce mortal tabernacles for their spiritual children."

This is a key for you. The faithful will become Gods, even the sons of

God; but this does not overthrow the idea that we have a father. Adam is

my father; (this I will explain to you at some future time;) but it does

not prove that he is not my father, if I become a God: it does not prove

that I have not a father.

J D  4:217-218 Adam ate coarse material until his system was charged with it and he could produce mortal children.
BY "Things were first created spiritually; the Father actually begat the

spirits, and they were brought forth and lived with Him. Then He commenced

the work of creating earthly tabernacles, precisely as He had been created

in this flesh himself, by partaking of the course material that was

organized and composed this earth, until His system was charged with it,

consequently the tabernacles of His children were organized from the

coarse materials of this earth.

When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the

world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that

spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The

Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is

the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference between

Jesus Christ and you and me. And a difference there is between our Father

and us consists in that He has gained His exaltation, and has obtained

eternal lives. The principle of eternal lives is an eternal existence,

eternal duration, eternal exaltation. Endless are His kingdoms, endless

His thrones and His dominions, and endless are His posterity; they never

will cease to multiply from this time henceforth and forever."

 

J D  13:145 For Adam and Eve to eat forbidden fruit was part of the

eternal plan - don't blame Eve.
BY "We also understand the earth, and the nature of the earth, and why God

permitted Mother Eve to partake of the forbidden fruit. We should not have

been here to-day if she had not; we could never have possessed wisdom and

intelligence if she had not done it. It was all in the economy of heaven,

and we need not talk about it; it is all right. We should never blame

Mother Eve, not the least. I am thankful to God that I know good from

evil, the bitter from the sweet, the things of God from the things not of

God. When I look at the economy of heaven my heart leaps for joy, and if I

had the tongue of an angel, or the tongues of the whole human family

combined, I would praise God in the highest for His great wisdom and

condescension in suffering the children of men to fall into the very sin

into which they have fallen, for He did it that they, like Jesus, might

descend below all things and then press forward and rise above all."

 

J D   7:158 Man partook so he could know good and evil.
BY "The children of men are in ignorance and darkness, with their

superstitions, prepossessed notions, feelings, education, and traditions.

Look at them as they are-placed here for the express purpose of proving

themselves before their God. Darkness and sin were permitted to come on

this earth. Man partook of the forbidden fruit in accordance with a plan

devised from eternity, that mankind might be brought in contact with the

principles and powers of darkness, that they might know the bitter and the

sweet, the good and the evil, and be able to discern between light and

darkness, to enable them to receive light continually. Christ is the light

of the world, and lighteth every man that cometh into it. No son or

daughter of Adam ever lived on the earth, or ever will, but has had or

will have the light of Christ within them."

 

J D  2:302 Adam ate and fell, Because there was "No other way."
BY "In my fullest belief, it was the design of the Lord that Adam should

partake of the forbidden fruit, and I believe that Adam knew all about it

before he came to this earth. I believe there was no other way leading to

thrones and dominions only for him to transgress, or take that position

which transgression alone could place man in, to descend below all things,

that they might ascend to thrones, principalities, and powers; for they

could not ascend to that eminence without first descending, nor upon any

other principle"

 

J D  7:285 Our parents were brought from another planet.
BY "When you tell me that father Adam was made as we make adobies from the earth, you tell me what I deem an idle tale. When you tell me that the

beasts of the field were produced in that manner, you are speaking idle

words devoid of meaning. There is no such thing in all the eternities

where the Gods dwell. Mankind are here because they are the offspring of

parents who were first brought here from another planet, and power was

given them to propagate their species, and they were commanded to multiply

and replenish the earth. The offspring of Adam and Eve are commanded to

take the rude elements, and, by the knowledge God has given, to convert

them into everything required for their life, health, adornment, wealth,

comfort, and consolation."

 

J D   8:244 Adam brought seed and animals here.
HEBER C. KIMBALL"The religion of Jesus Christ, of angels, of Brigham, and

of all good men is to take a care of and improve and adorn the earth as

Adam did. When he planted the garden, he planted it with seeds he brought

with him; and he also brought the animals from the earth he lived upon,

where his Father dwelt."

 

J D   3:319 Adam made like you and I on another earth. Brought one of the wives with him.
BY "Though we have it in history that our father Adam was made of the dust

of this earth, and that he knew nothing about his God previous to being

made here, yet it is not so; and when we learn the truth we shall see and

understand that he helped to make this world, and was the chief manager in

that operation.

He was the person who brought the animals and the seeds from other planets

to this world, and brought a wife with him and stayed here. You may read

and believe what you please as to what is found written in the Bible. Adam

was made from the dust of an earth, but not from the dust of this earth.

He was made as you and I are made, and no person was ever made upon any

other principle."

 

J D   8:208 If faithful, women to become Eves.
BY "Let me here say a word to console the feelings and hearts of all who

belong to this Church. Many of the sisters grieve because they are not

blessed with offspring. You will see the time when you will have millions

of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will be

mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you

have assisted in peopling one earth, there are millions of earths still in

the course of creation. And when they have endured a thousand million

times longer than this earth, it is only as it were the beginning of your

creations. Be faithful, and if you are not blest with children in this

time, you will be hereafter. But I would not dare tell you all I know

about these matters, though I know but little: still I am not a fool in

the things of God, neither is brother Taylor, though he saw so much to

learn that he did not realize that he had learned anything. We have

learned a great deal, although we are still but babes and sucklings in the

things of God; yet the truth and knowledge we possess pertaining to the

plan of salvation ontweigh [outweigh] all possessed by others on the

earth. Be faithful, and you will delight in the things of God, and bear

the yoke-carry the burden God has placed on you to bear."

 

J D   18:326 Joseph Smith knew Adam well, could describe him.
ELDER JOHN TAYLOR "Why was it that all these people should be associated

with all these dispensations, and all could communicate with Joseph Smith?

Because he stood at the head of the dispensation of the fullness of times,

which comprehends all the various dispensations that have existed upon the

earth, and that as the Gods in the eternal worlds and the Priesthood that

officiated in time and eternity had declared that it was time for the

issuing forth of all these things, they all combined together to impart to

him the keys of their several missions, that he might be fully competent,

through the intelligence and aid afforded him through these several

parties, to introduce the Gospel in all its fullness, namely, the

dispensation of the fullness of times, when, says the Apostle Paul, "He

might gather all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are

in earth, even in him." Consequently he stood in that position, and hence

his familiarity with all these various dispensations and the men who

administered in them. If you were to ask Joseph what sort of a looking man

Adam was, he would tell you at once; he would tell you his size and

appearance and all about him. You might have asked him what sort of men

Peter, James and John were, and he could have told you. Why? Because he

had seen them."

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