RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature [Formerly -- Prayer Request]

[Slade Henson]

DAVEH:  I'm not sure why you say that, Slade.  I think I corrected Perry (I believe it was Perry who said a similar thing about LDS theology) in a post a week or so ago when he suggested my belief did not allow Jesus to be God in the pre-mortal existence.    School and family take much of my time so I do not read every post. My fault for asking you a question you've already answered. Sorry.   DAVEH:  As I have stated many times in TT, I believe Jesus was the God of the OT.   Is there any question about my belief about that?   Well... sort of. Do you believe a "normal" human being can attain Godhood?   DAVEH:  Yes.  He is (a) God, comprised of a spirit being clothed with a physical body of flesh and bone.   Can you explain the "(a)" for me? Please be clear. If need be, say it twice using different nomenclature so I can understand the uses of your words.   DAVEH:  ... *snip*... And, may I assume you believe he continued to be God after his resurrection?  And, may I also assume you believe he was a spirit being prior to taking on a body of flesh and blood?  And subsequent to that Slade, may I also assume you believe his spirit body is now clothed with a physical body consisting of flesh and bone?   You assume correctly. As far as your two other questions... I have no idea. IT depends upon the opinions regarding the extent of the phrase: "the same yesterday, today, and forever." Is it in reference to essence or function... or both?   DAVEH:  Surely you don't think one must be God to pre-exist?  May I assume you believe angels and sons of God also pre-existed?   Well, actually yes I do believe God is the only one to have pre-existed. I do not believe angels pre-existed. I do not believe the building blocks of the universe pre-existed either. I believe neither "time" nor "space" pre-existed either.   DAVEH:  Thank you, Slade.  I'm not going to try to persuade you that man can evolve to become as a God.  But, I am curious as to whether you see the evolution (so to speak) of YHVH from a spirit being who created the world, and then took upon himself a physical body of flesh and blood, who then (I'm not sure I should use this term......) morphed into a resurrected being consisting of flesh and bone combined with a spirit?  If that is somewhat similar to what you believe, then I would ask why you think God progressed in that manner or form???   No. I do not believe in an "evolutionary" process in God. I do believe that the system He set up gave Him the opportunity to love us in a way no else one is able. By dying after living a perfect and completely sinless life (including never committing even an unintentional sin) He sacrificially gave up that life in order to give us a "death" we all could cling to and say, "Yes, my sin deserves death, and HIS DEATH (pointing to GOD) is the death for that sin" (in a nutshell, of course). Since He is GOD and was perfectly perfect (redundantly repetitive), we ALL can point to that one death.   DAVEH:  (please be kind....) Have I ever been anything other than......???    I wasn't referring to you......................... J ("Ms. Smiley" borrowed from Wm. Taylor's 01 Jul 2004 23.35 post). In fact, I'd say you are probably the kindest person on TT. If one wanted to use "you shall know My disciples by the love they show one another" (Slade's loose paraphrase) you'd be the only -- or one of the few -- disciples on TT.   -- slade