jt: To me living in peace means living free from the fear of anything you mention Jonathan whether or not they are a present reality and yes, it means freedom from attack because when a man pleases the Lord he makes even his enemies be at peace with him. Talking about rain, I've heard testimony of how driving rain was ruining the crops of the Indians until the Christians prayed and the following rainfall was gentle and nourishing. I believe weather like anything else can be used for evil depending on whether we are walking in blessing or under the curse. Thanks for defining contingent for me. judyt
The scriptual reference that God promises his people a 'peaceful dwelling place' needs to be taken in context. Did God make sure there were no mosquitos in this area as well? No poisonous snakes? Did God abolish death and aging in these dwellings? Was it God saying that He would keep them from being attacked by enemies? We live in a world that is as fallen as the rest of us. Creation groans out in travail. Weather is a natural part of creation. That includes a nice gentle shower for your tulips and a massive tornado, some pretty snowflakes and the flash flood. I would continue to suggest that the story of Jesus rebuking the storm was about something different than weather control for Christians. I think that you may have hit the nail on the head when you mention fear and peace. For the record God (Jesus) was not concerned about the storm in the least. It was the disciples who were concerned. A contingent universe is one that is based upon and upheld by its Creator. It is created to run self-sufficiently but relies upon Jesus Christ in whom all things move and have their being. Jonathan Hughes ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.

