RE: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm

[Jonathan Hughes]

Judy and I disagree on two crucial points: the humanity of Christ.  Judy does not believe that Jesus fully clothed Himself with our humanity, only partially.  Based upon her understanding of Old Testament sacrifices Jesus must be a lamb without spot.  She believes that if Jesus had a sinful nature (i.e. was actually human just like we are and just like scripture states – He could not have been tempted as we were if He did not have a sinful nature) then He would be spotted.  I believe that Jesus had the same sinful nature that you and I have and cleansed it from within in a daily walk with His Father through the Spirit and never sinned (hence I believe He was not spotted as well – a sinful nature is not a spot, actual sin is!).  Always remember the unassumed is the unhealed.  Judy and I also disagree on the extent of what Jesus has done.  I believe Jesus took upon Himself all humanity.  Judy thinks He took upon Himself just a few.  Judy holds that Adam and sin are more powerful than Jesus (the Son of God!) and His work on the Cross and ascension.  In Adam all died, in Jesus all rose again.  Judy rewrites such scriptures to read in Adam all died, and those few who are in Jesus rose again.  I strongly believe that Jesus wants to share His Father’s heart with Judy; that He sent His son to take away the sin of the world, not just to die but to bring us into communion with Him, to dissolve the lie of separation the serpent introduced in the garden.  Amen and all praise to our Father.   Jonathan   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm   In a message dated 9/28/2004 6:38:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who is the Jesus that Lance, Baxter and I follow?  He is the eternal Son of God who before the foundation of the world adopted us to be part of the relationship between the Father, Son and Spirit.  Against the lie of separation that Satan administered in the Fall, Jesus clothed Himself with our humanity, cleansed it from within, was killed and rose from the dead to His Father with us carefully held in His hands.  He now sits at the right hand of His Father continually interceding for us.  We in turn participate in what He did for us. In another email you asked me what is an overcomer.  The only overcomer is Jesus Christ.  In all that He overcomes, we overcome.  I never overcome anything that He does not overcome first.  An overcomer is one who trusts in the work and person of Jesus Christ. Hmmmmmmmmmm.   Sounds like the very same Jesus Judy and the rest of us worship.  If Jonathan  has poor thelogical ideas -- he is no different from the rest of us. Judy is no closer to the Truth than anyone else.   And why does doctrinal positioning have anything to do with our Family Ties?   If doctrinal issues are important, yea,  critical,  which ones are they?   Just give me a list of those things I cannot be mistaken in and I will be a happy though ignorant camper.    Ignorant, I say because there will be no point in my examination of those crtical issues for fear that I might make a poor decision about any of those issues and find myself standing knee deep in the Pond of Hell.  The notion that God throught he spirit gives me an accurate undersanding of the biblical message, verse by vers, is simply not true.    Will I get a list?   No.   How do I know?   because I have asked this question of those who tend to a legalistic position perhaps 100 times over the years without an answer.   It is my fish or cut bait question  (have several in storage.)   Heaven is not just for middle class white people  --  which is the demographic of this very forum, is it not?   You must be eduated, able to understand the abstract, fully capable of overcoming your addictions,  with an IQ of at least 100,  and with no serious mental handicaps and not a Morman.    . .. ..      --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 9/28/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 9/28/2004