1) No verse speaks for itself. They all involve
context and require interpretation. John is not throwing the verse out of
his bible. John is claiming that you are mis-interpreting (intentionally)
the verse.
2) Christ does not hold the covenant. Christ is
the fulfillment of the covenant.
3) God does change. There was no humanity in
God prior to the incarnation.
4) Dealing with sin is not an option? Paul
disagrees with you on this backwards and forwards.
5) Jesus' blood is always effective. Since when
is Adam stronger than God Himself?
6) God does say Be Holy as I am holy.
There is but one human being who is holy: Jesus Christ. We subject
ourselves to Him. Do not confuse your own obedience to be in any way as
worthy or effective as Christ's.
Jonathan Hughes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judith H Taylor
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Read it and weep!
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:55:41 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 9/29/2004 3:58:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Isaiah 59:2 - But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.
jt: Thanks Izzy
This is the scripture I was thinking of and it proves that iniquity and sin preclude any kind of fellowship and/or relationship with the Living God no matter what Jonathan, Lance, and Kruger proclaim to the contrary.
John writes: Not even close on this one, Judy. More proof-texting theology. Isa 59:2 has nothing to do with our present day situation. I am even startled to see this comment. It is so wrong as to be almost humorous. This is nothing but the doctrine of perfectionism It goes against a whole host of biblical comment and denies not only the purpose of the cross but the stated need for the continual flow of the blood of the Lamb. It offers no hope for those who come to the Lord trapped (in an addictive sense) in their sin. Your conclusion is not true. Johnjt: Proof texting theology? You've got to be kidding John. This verse speaks for itself. The prophet is addressing the Covenant people of the God who changes not. Today we are His Covenant people through Christ (who holds the Covenant) so what makes you think your iniquities and sin are different from theirs? Don't let your humor put you in a ditch. I suspect that most of the whole host of biblical comment you refer to is void of the "if's, and's and but's" (read conditions). The blood is effective to cleanse the conscience ONLY when we go to the throne of grace in time of need. What would make you think my belief offers no hope for addictions? I'm the one who just spent a week in GA learning about "the more excellent way" You may call it "the doctrine of perfectionism" John and I know you equate this with legalism. However, God does say "Be ye holy or perfect as I am holy" we are to go on into maturity and dealing with sin is not an option. Nor is cutting Isa 59:2 out of your Bible and/or negating it by false doctrine.judyt
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