[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/30/2004 6:46:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

If sin is the pattern of their life, they are not believers, they do not live by faith and are not saved by faith, no matter how earnestly they claim otherwise.


I think our only difference is the way we say things.   This statement above is one to which I would add this thought:   the one who has given himself over to iniquity would not be making any kind of claim to salvation  --  as a rule. 
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I am not certain how common this is in other areas, but it is very common here and among "Christian superstars".  Sin was (could still be) the pattern of the life of Jimmy Swaggert.  Benny Hinn is as phoney as a three dollar bill, but some people think He is God's right hand man.

Charles Stanley is divorced, but refuses to step down from the pulpit, despite the command that says to be an elder you must rule your family well.  His own son broke fellowship with him over this one issue.  Thousands of RCC priests, viewed by many as men of God, and pretending to be men of God, are actually in Paul's list of the lost.

 Every church in this area has members and deacons and pastors who are members of the Masonic Lodge.  It also has many who divorced and remarried on unbiblical grounds.

Add to that all the other hypocrites that have their own favorite sin that they will not give up, and I would say that it is not at all uncommon to hear lost people claiming to be saved and expecting to go to Heaven on the wide road.

Surprisingly, while the lost can see this in the body of Christ, the body seems unable to see this in itself..
Terry

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