RE: [TruthTalk] Read it and weep!

[ShieldsFamily]

Funny, I keep looking at my Bibles, and NONE of them say what you say they do.  Go figure! (Where were you when they were translating it?) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Read it and weep!   In a message dated 10/2/2004 11:16:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, yes I do think that pride, selfishness, etc. are sins.  Why would you assume I don’t.  I consider all 3 types of sin to be sin.  So doesn’t that pretty much cover it? I do not dismiss Romans 3:23, or any other scripture.  I am telling you to consider all scripture together, in context. MY Bible does not say “and keep on falling short of the glory…”  Which translation do you have? The “sin reality” theory, which is actually sin unreality? J Izzy Selfishness is not something you commit.  Rather, it is something you are.   Hence, you are always a sinnner in that regard  --  becasue you are always a selfish person, or a prideful person.  MY Bible does not say “and keep on falling short of the glory…”   Sure it does.  The verb in the greek ("fall short" )  is a present tense verb.   The action of present tense is linear or contining action.    "  I breath to maintain life"  is the same as "I am breathing to maintain life."     "I am eating my food" is present tense.   "....are falling short of the glory of God ... " is present tense.  You do not have to be a greek student to understand "present tense."   There is no discussion of this  --  it is a very simple fact of grammar.  You are experiencing a "gotcha" moment.   Could be good for you.  Similarly, I Jo 1:8 says "if we say that we have no sin  ....."   This is present tense and pictures action that is occurring right now  -- present time.   "If we say that we are having no sin... " would be an acceptable translation.   Normally,  holiness perfectionists reject exegetical conclusions such as this  -- for obvious reasons.   John