You will notice that although there are
answers to the above questions the Spirit did not lead you into
‘truth’ regarding them. Leading us into truth is not the same
as leading us into all information. This is why you, as a student of
God’s word need to learn more about Greek and Hebrew.
jt: Studying to show
oneself approved unto God by rightly dividing the Word of Truth does not need
to involve striving over words Jonathan.
In fact we are warned
against such, along with endless genealogies.
JBH: Actually it does mean striving
over words as long as they are pointing to Christ. God has chosen to use
words to communicate much of Himself. And for the record I find the first
nine chapters of 1 Chronicles rather boring J
To expect the Spirit to interpret
the original intent while you lazily and mystically read your Bible is
foolhardy. So, we must ask ourselves, what is this truth that the Spirit
will lead us into? I would suggest that this truth is the Truth –
Jesus Christ. The Spirit will lead you to a saving knowledge of Jesus
Christ. The Spirit will not do your Bible Studies for you. He will
not help you locate that next verse in the massive concordance that sits beside
you as you read this.
jt: I don't expect Him to
locate verses in my concordance or words in my dictionary. I do expect that He
will give me understanding since he is the author of what I am attempting to
understanding and Jesus is the ONLY mediator.
JBH: You are correct that Jesus is
the only mediator. However, you are incorrect in your use of
context. Jesus is the only mediator between you and the Father. To
mediate is not to give information; it is to restore relationship; nothing to
do with Bible Study. Although you claim that you are not into the occult
above you seem to believe that God will mystically give you understanding
without you having to work it out. Why read the Bible at all if the
Spirit will give you all the information you need? Why did God give us
brains? I would suggest that He gave them to us in order that we may use
them. For all the love of scripture that you seem to have (honestly) I am
mystified that you could care less to find out what they actually meant in
their original languages. To me that makes me think that you would rather
use the Bible as a tool to justify your own beliefs instead of having the Bible
speak for itself.
Cults begin from people that think that it
is just God, the Bible, and them. This explains where you have gotten
some of your cultic beliefs (other than from the Watchtower).
jt: No Cults begin with
opportunists who desire a following and who twist God's Word so that they are
indispensible and they are the only ones with the inside track to God.
JBH: For the record I suggested that
you have cultic beliefs in the sentence quoted above. This is different
than being part of a cult although I can see why the Watchtower reference would
throw you off. And cults always begin with people thinking that their
interpretation of scripture is given by God Himself with no mediator. I
don’t know of a single cult that has not begun this way. ‘Me,
God and the Bible’ is dangerous.
As much as you would like to deny it, to
deny the eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ is pure heresy and places you outside of the ‘faith’
by orthodox standards. Please note it does not place you outside of the
faith for me. To me you are wholly accepted.
jt: I don't see the
phrase "eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ" anywhere, not anywhere in
scripture and would have to cobble a lot of things together and do a lot of
rationalizing to come to this concensus. I would rather take scripture as it
reads and accept that He was begotten on the day in history when Christ was
born. Jesus Himself said "Lo I come in the volume of the book, I
delight to do your will O My God"
JBH:
Actually you don’t see any English words in the Bible. They were
all written in other languages (Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic). You are
reading a translation. No where in scripture is the word Jesus! No
where in scripture is the word God! No where in scripture is the word
repentance. I would love it if you would actually take scripture as it
reads but you refuse to. You will take scripture as it was translated
though. And of course you will pick and choose which translation you will
accept. You obviously (And I am being serious here) love scripture.
Why not go the extra step and actually study what it said?
And for the record I do not commend David Miller for his faithfulness to the truth. Rather I commend him for his faithfulness to his
opinion. Unfortunately they are not one and the same. It is because
they are not that he had to leave Truthtalk. JBH
I find it sad that you
don't appreciate a "faithful" brother. If you can show me a
foundation for this "eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ" in the
scriptures rather than in John MacArthur I will gladly reconsider - jht
JBH: I do appreciate a faithful
brother and I do appreciate David in some things, not in this. And
honestly are you a Jehovah Witness? It would explain some of your comments
on blood as well. I am only mildly joking here; you actually seem to have
some of their cultic beliefs.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word
was with God and the Word was God..... is the "faith" once
delivered to the saints Jonathan. We
ought to be commending David Miller for his faithfulness to the Truth.
jht
After weeks of deliberation all of us have
come to a consensus that you must go. I am sure that this is not a surprise
to you. The continual use of violent logic attacks on the members of
Truthtalk and the continued plagiarizing of biblical texts contribute to this
decision. The pride exhibited in your continual use of the Latin term
[sic] has put most of us over the edge. Today you have stepped outside
the bounds of the Christian faith. By
denying the eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ you have thrown away any claim to
living out the faith that was once delivered to all saints. You have said goodbye to historic orthodoxy and welcomed
radical liberalism. It is my duty to inform you, as seconded by Linda
Shields, that you will now be shunned and removed from fellowship by all
Truthtalk participants. Once repentance, including copious amounts of
tears has taken place you may apply for membership again by a handwritten note
in Hebrew to Slade Henson. It is hoped that by taking this action you
will come to your senses and begin to act in a Christian manner. Until
then we must deliver you to the wiles and fancies of your mind. Be safe,
but be gone.
The Truthtalk Bouncer, Jonathan
Hughes
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