JBH: Actually
it does mean striving over words as long as they are pointing to
Christ. God has chosen to use words to communicate much of
Himself. And for the record I find the first nine chapters of 1
Chronicles rather boring
jt: I don't
care for the genealogies either, or striving over words when Jesus is The
Word. The other is a big waste of time.
Jonathan: So,
we must ask ourselves, what is this truth that the Spirit will lead
us into? I would suggest that this truth is the Truth � Jesus
Christ. The Spirit will lead you to a saving knowledge of Jesus
Christ.
jt: I don't expect
Him to locate verses in my concordance or words in my dictionary. I do
expect that He will give me understanding since he is the author of what I
am attempting to understanding and Jesus is the ONLY
mediator.
JBH: You are
correct that Jesus is the only mediator. However, you are incorrect
in your use of context. Jesus is the only mediator between you and
the Father. To mediate is not to give information; it is to restore
relationship; nothing to do with Bible Study. Although you claim that
you are not into the occult above you seem to believe that God will
mystically give you understanding without you having to work it
out.
jt: You got
this mystical idea all by yourself Jonathan. I spend time in God's Word. I
do my own homework, it's just that I don't look to validate truth in the
writings of theologians or Church Fathers.
JBH: Why read the
Bible at all if the Spirit will give you all the information you
need?
jt: Because I
need to know what spirit is speaking to me and I hold the understanding
coming my way to the Isaiah 8:20 test.
JBH: Why did
God give us brains?
jt: God gave us
"books, brains, and buddies" so that we could learn some things, but not
necessarily spiritual things. Remember God is a Spirit and he communicates
with us on a spiritual level.
JBH: I would
suggest that He gave them to us in order that we may use them. For all
the love of scripture that you seem to have (honestly) I am mystified that
you could care less to find out what they actually meant in their original
languages. To me that makes me think that you would rather use the
Bible as a tool to justify your own beliefs instead of having the Bible
speak for itself.
jt: My belief
is that the Holy Spirit can speak English and the KJV translaters were
diligent and godly men. Why is it so outlandish for me to trust these
translaters when you trust so many different theologians to guide you in
spite of the original languages?
Cults begin from
people that think that it is just God, the Bible, and them. This
explains where you have gotten some of your cultic beliefs (other than from
the Watchtower).
jt: No Cults begin
with opportunists who desire a following and who twist God's Word so that
they are indispensible and they are the only ones with the inside track to
God.
JBH:
And cults always begin with people thinking that their interpretation of
scripture is given by God Himself with no mediator. I don�t know of a
single cult that has not begun this way. �Me, God and the Bible� is
dangerous.
jt: But I do have a
mediator - his name is Jesus and the Watchtower Society reject Him. They say
he is an archangel ...
JBH: As much as you
would like to deny it, to deny
the eternal Sonship
of Jesus Christ is pure heresy and places you outside of the �faith� by orthodox standards. Please note it
does not place you outside of the faith for me. To me you are wholly
accepted.
jt: I don't see the
phrase "eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ" anywhere, not anywhere in scripture
and would have to cobble a lot of things together and do a lot of
rationalizing to come to this concensus. I would rather take scripture as it
reads and accept that He was begotten on the day in history when Christ was
born. Jesus Himself said "Lo I come in the volume of the book, I
delight to do your will O My God"
JBH: Actually
you don�t see any English words in the Bible. They were all written in
other languages (Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic). You are reading a
translation. No where in scripture is the word Jesus! No where
in scripture is the word God! No where in scripture is the word
repentance. I would love it if you would actually take scripture as it
reads but you refuse to. You will take scripture as it was translated
though. And of course you will pick and choose which translation you
will accept. You obviously (And I am being serious here) love
scripture. Why not go the extra step and actually study what it
said?
JBH: And for the
record I do not commend
David Miller for his faithfulness to the truth. Rather I
commend him for his faithfulness to his opinion. Unfortunately they
are not one and the same. It is because they are not that he had to
leave Truthtalk. JBH
jt: I find it sad
that you don't appreciate a "faithful" brother. If
you can show me a foundation for this "eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ" in
the scriptures rather than in John MacArthur I will gladly reconsider
- jht
JBH: I do
appreciate a faithful brother and I do appreciate David in some things, not
in this. And honestly are you a Jehovah Witness? It would
explain some of your comments on blood as well. I am only mildly
joking here; you actually seem to have some of their cultic
beliefs.
jt: No I am not
a Watchtower Advocate Jonathan; why not ease up on the cults and the
theologians and study the scriptures?
In the beginning was the Word and the
Word was with God and the Word was God..... is the "faith"
once
delivered to the saints Jonathan.
We ought to be commending David Miller for his faithfulness to the
Truth. jht
After weeks of
deliberation all of us have come to a consensus that you must go. I
am sure that this is not a surprise to you. The continual use of
violent logic attacks on the members of Truthtalk and the continued
plagiarizing of biblical texts contribute to this decision. The
pride exhibited in your continual use of the Latin term [sic] has put most
of us over the edge. Today you have stepped outside the bounds of
the Christian faith. By
denying the eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ you have thrown away any claim
to living out the faith that was once delivered to all
saints. You have
said goodbye to historic orthodoxy and welcomed radical liberalism.
It is my duty to inform you, as seconded by Linda Shields, that you will
now be shunned and removed from fellowship by all Truthtalk
participants. Once repentance, including copious amounts of tears
has taken place you may apply for membership again by a handwritten note
in Hebrew to Slade Henson. It is hoped that by taking this action
you will come to your senses and begin to act in a Christian manner.
Until then we must deliver you to the wiles and fancies of your
mind. Be safe, but be gone.
The Truthtalk
Bouncer, Jonathan Hughes
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