Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth

[Judy Taylor]

jt: This is actually part of Servetus' teaching that Calvin called pantheistic saying that if Servetus kicked a rock on the sidewalk he would be kicking and walking upon the majesty of God.  Sounds goofy but I would mark one up for Calvin on that point.  Separation IS scriptural and for this reason it is true and in harmony with 2 Tim 2. See also below...            "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you,          so that He will not hear".[Isaiah 59:2]           "If I regard iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me" [Psalm 66:18]     On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:42:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The term 'separation from God' is both deadly nomenclature and, untrue. There wasn't, isn't and, won't be anywhere He's not. From: ShieldsFamily Lance, not ALL who are created by God belong to Him.  It is our free-will choice, as He is not a puppeteer: 2 Tim 2:   <SUP id=en-NASB-29847>19Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, " The Lord knows those who are His," and, " Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness."       <SUP id=en-NASB-29848>20Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor.       <SUP id=en-NASB-29849>21Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work. Yes.   Universalism verses Universality. JD   John, please elaborate (again) on what you see as the difference.  I still can�t see much.  Izzy