I am agreeing that the conscience which is out from under the governance of the Holy Spirit is unreliable. So I ask again upon what do you rely, if not the conscience. What part of you "knows" the difference between right and wrong? iz
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Yes. We are actually saying similar things about the nature of sin, Izzy. And you are agreeing that our conscience is not reliable. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us > My point is that we could possibly be sinning w/o even being aware of it, > as > God determines what is really is, rather than Man. (Maybe we think we are > being God's spokesman while God considers us to be sinning?) iz > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us > > Jonathan said: > > grasping for autonomy > > I think this is the nub. We could add that instead of seeking autonomy we > might also willingly give ourselves over to some other god or power rather > than the Father. > > Trying to identify and box in sinful acts misses the point about sin. I > think it also backfires in that it gets us focussed on watching our step, > which is the same as focussing on ourselves--at least, it works that way > for > > me. I just heard someone say that Christian perfection is not success in > avoiding sinful acts, it is having our attention completely absorbed by > Christ. > > Debbie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us > > >> ShieldsFamily wrote: >> >>>Okay, I agree. But I guess my question is this: Can you write a sentence >>>defining what sin is??? izzy >>> >>> >> I can, but it is probably not the life changing information for which you >> search. >> >> 1.Since God is angry with the sinner every day, sin is anything that >> angers God. >> >> 2.Many sins are committed in darkness, but never in secret, so sin is >> something that can often be hidden from men, but never from God/ >> >> 3..Sometimes sin is doing or thinking the wrong thing while at other >> times > >> sin is not doing or thinking the right thing. >> >> 4. Sin is when men (or angels) serve self instead of God. It is making >> yourself master, usurping the authority of your creator. >> >> Nothing here worth carving in stone. Let's just say that when you've >> sinned, you know it. >> >> ---------- >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >> know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >> http://www.InnGlory.org >> >> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >> friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. >> >> >> > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
