[TruthTalk] God is a Relational God: Father, Son, Spirit

[Judy Taylor]

JD writes: The importance, here, is that if we are saved apart from our obedience,  we are saved in spite of our disobedience.   The purpose and place of obedience has nothing to do with getting things right with God. It is only and always a demonstration of the God within.      We are saved and counted as pure before we act.   The glory goes to God in Christ.   That is not a loophole, David.   jt: Then why does Paul write to Timothy that the goal rather than the start of the instruction is "love from a pure heart?" Looks like we don't need instruction according to your gospel JD - we've got it all up front - what is there to work out with fear and trembling?     You need to leave the ministry if you disagree with this very basic bibilical consideration.     jt: False counsel DavidM but I'm sure you have discerned it already.   Be not many of you teachers is something you need to take a little more serious.     jt: Loud cough!  Excuse me??   May I suggest a sabbatical until you come to a full and complete understanding of unmerited grace,  justification by the substitutionary consideration of faith for right living,  and our passive involvement in "getting saved."  Obedience is important, but it is the cart, not the horse.    jt: Sounds like you are riding your own kind of hobby horse JD.  There is nothing passive about any part of true salvation. Being saved from God's wrath requires active participation because it is "he who endures to the end who is saved"  I suggest you take your own counsel above until you come to a complete understanding of what it means to be holding the truth in unrighteousness.   I am always open to meaningful discussion.   JD   Good.....